How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Hi guys, I've been wanting to open this up dati pa. Gawin natin tong small discussion on how to properly criticize a work by colleagues to guide us into a better understanding of what we are doing.

Aside from the fact that we are super sensitive as artist, lalo na when it comes to our personal works. It is also important that we stress the points of improvement directly and objectively. Wala na sanang pasikot sikot pa o pasaring na tipong double meaning ang dating.

The goal of this thread is to develop a good sense of critic.

Below are some phrases or words that I personally do not like seeing in post: You may also share yours and suggests. Everybody is welcome to contribute.

1. parang may mali... or sa monitor ko lang. (what's the sense kung iba naman pala ang monitor mo di ba?)
2. nagtataka lang ako sa door (ground floor), parang grainy sya, o sa mata ko lang. (avoid na natin yung mga side comments na sa mata ko lang, hindi talaga nakakatulong sa pagimprove yan.)
3...

Ito naman ang mga suggestions ko on how to critic:
1. point out the mistakes
2. suggest solutions on how to improve them
3. explain why if you find anything odd
4. suggest references if you have time
5. go direct to the point
6. be objective
7. avoid unnecessary comments
8. avoid using local dialects for everyone to benefit from the discussions

Sa thread na to, sana maimprove natin ang pagcritic. Yung mga compliments naman, hayaan na muna natin, these are ego boosters which I have observed will help improve a persons mood. a happy mood means good everything.

hmmm walang pumapansin dito ah... lemme add

3. ung tipong ang daming comments na kesyo mapping issue sa ganito, halata ung tiling, medyo ibahin mo ung design... tapos sa bandang dulo ng comment "overall aprub " kaasar...

4. Minsan emoticons lang without any words, magsulat naman ok na yun kahit konti lang.

5. madalas ung iba sasabihin wow galing kahit di pa naman ganoon kaganda,,mas gusto ko naman malaman ano dapat gawin pa kesa appriciate nila

this is a very good thread masters..tambay lang po ako,want to improve sa pag critique ng works ng iba..honestly 'di ko alam sasabihin if i find something wrong sa isang work, so 'di nalang ako nagcocomment, or positive lang icocomment ko, parang takot kasi na maoffend yung artist na gumawa..

so yun, my bad..

hope to improve on this one, thanks for this thread..

keitzkoy wrote:honestly 'di ko alam sasabihin if i find something wrong sa isang work, so 'di nalang ako nagcocomment, or positive lang icocomment ko, parang takot kasi na maoffend yung artist na gumawa..

so yun, my bad..

Ito ang dapat natin iwasan, matagal tayo matoto kung ganito iniisip natin. Take note, that we learn through our mistakes.

tama kayo mga bro.. minsan ganyan ako.. hehehe.. i try to be more objective sa susunod na mga comments ko.. mas maganda din cguro and I suggest evry post may standard na parang form kung baga.. from render setup to ligthing setup.. mas maganda kung ganun mga sir.. pra naman may reference tayo sa mga gawa ng iba at makatulong din tayo kung may mga dapat baguhin sa set up nila.. in this way give and take tayo ng mga ideas..

Parang ganito yung form..

Render setup:

1. Resolution = _________
2. Image Sapler = _________
3. Antialiasing filter = _______
4. Color mapping= _________
5. ........

6. Better put the appropriate title of the Thread.....wala na yung kung ano-anong titulo na hindi naman related sa images....

like this one... http://www.cgpinoy.org/architectural-f3/haay-buti-may-pambayad-sa-apartment-at-sa-napakamahal-na-tubig-at-kuryente-t11050.htm

sorry sir jhames ...parte lang ng discussion...

3DZONE wrote:6. Better put the appropriate title of the Thread.....wala na yung kung ano-anong titulo na hindi naman related sa images....

like this one... http://www.cgpinoy.org/architectural-f3/haay-buti-may-pambayad-sa-apartment-at-sa-napakamahal-na-tubig-at-kuryente-t11050.htm

sorry sir jhames ...parte lang ng discussion...

Agree ako dito sir 3d, nakatawag pansin sa akin,he2

yap,agree ako sa inyo mga bosing, especially sa comment ni sir bokkins, to much critized doesnt help, instead give them tips how to do it the right way.

cheers....

pahabol lang po, wla lang po sanang magagalit, di po sa akin galing ung comment na ito.
try not to use the words na " practice lang ang render" and then super ganda ng render, iba kc ang dating sa kanila na nag view ng post. you know...

cheers....

7. avoid kiss-ass remarks. key to a good crit is to be neutral - but be completely honest.

Since this is a discussion, I think we should also point out the reasons and motives in asking criticism and giving criticism.

1. When you post your images...

- you are willing to learn and ask others what can be improved more to the scene. Many times, we need critical eyes to see those things. We need to ask feedback from them and not just with pure motive of showing how good is your output and receive praises... (ika nga masarap marinig ang papuri pero mahirap minsan lunukin ang pagkakamali).
- you bear in mind when someone point out the a flaw or an area that needs attention, its not about you nor your character but its about the work itself. so be willing to improve and learn but "not doing stuff to satisfy others like". you should satisfy your eye based on the critic...
- remember everyone wants to improve. even alex roman...

2. When you give critic.

- your main pure motive is to HELP others to improve. you have experience similar things before... someone has offered you help,
- you point out clearly what you can see and offer a possible solution,
- you avoid using Rude languages.. remember we have feelings and words can hurt... I do believe that you can still point a mistake using nice words,
- you avoid pointing the mistake directly to the person or their integrity.. rather, the mistake should be pointing away to the author, but pointing directly to the work.
- be truthful.


some other things maybe a little bit away from the topic but i think really useful..

3. If you are requesting the other party...

- be kind... you are not paying them, so if the answer is not there, please do not demand. Sometimes people gets tangled with their work and when they help, they sacrifice their personal time.

4. If you are a long timer here, do not boast as if you demand respect. Respect will come naturally if you work it out.. you cant demand it..

Saw this just this morning before going to bed...
---ganda,,,,post more....
---hintayin ko update hehehe
----ganda nito pag natapos.. update mo sir! (this immediately following the one above for cryin out loud)
---noted po sir.,tnx for the comment..,(but the next render still looks like the former where he promised to have taken note of the comments)
---Very nice design & render sir 2thumbsup Keep up the good work & post more 2thumbsup (this guy has cgp guru attached to his avatar; he has made that comment, if I'm not grossly mistaken, for all of his posts... ctrlV ctrlC)

& ad-infinitum-nausea; di tayo matatapos kung isusulat lahat yan dito...

I'm well aware that I have earned a nasty rep within the site as (to quote master Celestino) "palaaway"...
---I will always give my crit/comment as honest as I could & as concise as possible as well. But only to those who deserve it.
---I will most definitely humiliate those who take me for a stupid old dog but I will only do so after giving that person enough time to wisen up. I do this to those who are so thick skulled they refuse to see the error of their ways... Shocktherapy for lack of a better word... I really don't care if I become the devil incarnate within their minds; If i elicit some emotion from the festering passivity, I've done half the job. The other half, of course, is up to them...

@cloud: +1 for your thoughts. It's always fun and educational reading your posts. Ayokong magmalinis but I've had my share of "pinoy-cliché comments and ass-kissing" but I'm glad I've outgrown it. Akala ko ako lang ang nakapansin, cgpexpert, master, kung maka-comment ganun-ganun lang.