How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

by bokkins on Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:27 am

First topic message reminder :

Hi guys, I've been wanting to open this up dati pa. Gawin natin tong small discussion on how to properly criticize a work by colleagues to guide us into a better understanding of what we are doing.

Aside from the fact that we are super sensitive as artist, lalo na when it comes to our personal works. It is also important that we stress the points of improvement directly and objectively. Wala na sanang pasikot sikot pa o pasaring na tipong double meaning ang dating.

The goal of this thread is to develop a good sense of critic.

Below are some phrases or words that I personally do not like seeing in post: You may also share yours and suggests. Everybody is welcome to contribute.

1. parang may mali... or sa monitor ko lang. (what's the sense kung iba naman pala ang monitor mo di ba?)
2. nagtataka lang ako sa door (ground floor), parang grainy sya, o sa mata ko lang. (avoid na natin yung mga side comments na sa mata ko lang, hindi talaga nakakatulong sa pagimprove yan.)
3...

Ito naman ang mga suggestions ko on how to critic:
1. point out the mistakes
2. suggest solutions on how to improve them
3. explain why if you find anything odd
4. suggest references if you have time
5. go direct to the point
6. be objective
7. avoid unnecessary comments
8. avoid using local dialects for everyone to benefit from the discussions

Sa thread na to, sana maimprove natin ang pagcritic. Yung mga compliments naman, hayaan na muna natin, these are ego boosters which I have observed will help improve a persons mood. a happy mood means good everything. Smile

by logikpixel on Sun May 02, 2010 5:30 am

@cloud: +1 for your thoughts. It's always fun and educational reading your posts. Ayokong magmalinis but I've had my share of "pinoy-cliché comments and ass-kissing" but I'm glad I've outgrown it. Akala ko ako lang ang nakapansin, cgpexpert, master, kung maka-comment ganun-ganun lang.

by render master on Sun May 02, 2010 5:57 am

- konting pihit ( alin kaya ang pipihitin)
- konting adjust pa ( alin naman ang iaadjust)
- konting practice pa ( with the same routine?)
- rush ( iwas pusoy syndrome 1)
- hintayin natin ang mga master ( nag-comment pa)
- repeatition of comments ( magbasa muna bago magcomment)
- low res lang ( iwas pusoy syndrome 2)

by kurdaps! on Sun May 02, 2010 6:09 am

tweak kunti sa lighting...

to be honest, I don't understand the meaning of 'tweak' in this phrase. study

by pedio84 on Sun May 02, 2010 9:21 am

@ sir cloud : the " ctrl+C ctrl+V "akala ko kami lang ni bim nakapansin lol!

thanks to this thread,honestly tinamaan din ako pero at least naliwanagan na ang aking munting isipan

by qcksilver on Sun May 02, 2010 9:36 am

kurdaps! wrote:tweak kunti sa lighting...

to be honest, I don't understand the meaning of 'tweak' in this phrase.

tama ako rin di ko rin alam to,so i ask ung nagcomment sad to say di naman ako ni replayan

by Muggz on Sun May 02, 2010 9:50 am

render master wrote:- konting pihit ( alin kaya ang pipihitin)
- konting adjust pa ( alin naman ang iaadjust)
- konting practice pa ( with the same routine?)
- rush ( iwas pusoy syndrome 1)
- hintayin natin ang mga master ( nag-comment pa)
- repeatition of comments ( magbasa muna bago magcomment)
- low res lang ( iwas pusoy syndrome 2)

i'll go with this one,,,minsan parang me notepad lang sa desktop yung nag bibigay ng comment at kina-copy paste lang,,, at sa mga nag popost naman sana mag bigay din naman kayo ng tips kung pano kayo nakakapag render ng 30mins render "rush" para matutu naman ang iba at di kayo nag mumukang nagyayabang sa mata ng mga kritiko,,,and sa title naman minsan ang layo na ng kinalaman sa post,,,meron pambayad utang daw,wala daw siyang magawa sa buhay,kasama niya syota niya,mahuhuli na siya sa trabaho,manung kung two-storey-two-storey tapos.

scratch

by archi_ram on Sun May 02, 2010 10:37 am

cloud20 wrote:Saw this just this morning before going to bed...
---ganda,,,,post more....
---hintayin ko update hehehe
----ganda nito pag natapos.. update mo sir! (this immediately following the one above for cryin out loud)
---noted po sir.,tnx for the comment..,(but the next render still looks like the former where he promised to have taken note of the comments)
---Very nice design & render sir 2thumbsup Keep up the good work & post more 2thumbsup (this guy has cgp guru attached to his avatar; he has made that comment, if I'm not grossly mistaken, for all of his posts... ctrlV ctrlC)

& ad-infinitum-nausea; di tayo matatapos kung isusulat lahat yan dito...

I'm well aware that I have earned a nasty rep within the site as (to quote master Celestino) "palaaway"...
---I will always give my crit/comment as honest as I could & as concise as possible as well. But only to those who deserve it.
---I will most definitely humiliate those who take me for a stupid old dog but I will only do so after giving that person enough time to wisen up. I do this to those who are so thick skulled they refuse to see the error of their ways... Shocktherapy for lack of a better word... I really don't care if I become the devil incarnate within their minds; If i elicit some emotion from the festering passivity, I've done half the job. The other half, of course, is up to them...

parang kilala ko to..ako yata to ay hindi pala ako guru....kidding aside, honestly tinamaan din ako dito...most of the time noong una yan din ang mga post comments ko sometimes until now but I realized pano kaya matuto kung ganun or ganito lang nakukuha natin sa comments ng iba...well I thank you for that comment but how will others appreciate you if ganun din ang comment mo, ang labas nyan nagbobolahan na lang tayo...di naman masama kung i appreciate mo pero mas lalong hindi masama kung maging honest ang opinon mo according to your criticism...sana mabago ko na din ang ctrlv ctrlc habit ko.....

by yaug_03 on Sun May 02, 2010 11:41 am

Give it out your comments honestly kahit mga moderators or mga old members that earned their reputations here ang nagpost. Madalas kasi nahihiya (even me) to give my insights on their works.

by Canadium on Sun May 02, 2010 3:39 pm

For me, praising a work that is not good only pulls down the person who did the work. He may not improve his work and would churn out the same stuff over and over again and worse he will return the favor by praising other works that don't look good too. So in the end, everybody may be pulling everybody down unintentionally. Another form of crab mentality, I guess.

by exodus on Sun May 02, 2010 5:12 pm

halata kasi yung comment sa isang myembro kung magaling ba sya o nang-aasar lang-ganito(o sa mata ko lang).parang ganun.

minsan hanga kaagad sa image kahit siguro thumbnail size pa lang..

low --ito po ung tinatawag na newbies or kakaexplore pa lang ng 3d,malalaman po natin ang isang membro kung
may alam kung anong tama.mostly ganito-(para sa akin excellent na to,ok na ok to para sa akin,pasilip
naman ng kunting settings dyan master)

medium --ito naman po yung neutral na pwedeng magcomment na parang master at pwede ring parang bagohan..

high --dito natin makikita mga comment kasi halata na may alam.at nagbibigay kaagad ng tips.minsan may comment
na hindi maintindihan ng newbies..

minsan kasi takot magcomment yung mga bagohan lalo na yung post nila eh hindi naman gaano kaganda sa thread na yun.baka sabihing"hindi mu nga naayos yung trbho mu,magcomment ka pa sa akin"..parang ganun po..possible po dba..kaya yung iba possitve comments na lang lahat...

by rangalua on Sun May 02, 2010 5:58 pm

archi_ram wrote:
cloud20 wrote:Saw this just this morning before going to bed...
---ganda,,,,post more....
---hintayin ko update hehehe
----ganda nito pag natapos.. update mo sir! (this immediately following the one above for cryin out loud)
---noted po sir.,tnx for the comment..,(but the next render still looks like the former where he promised to have taken note of the comments)
---Very nice design & render sir 2thumbsup Keep up the good work & post more 2thumbsup (this guy has cgp guru attached to his avatar; he has made that comment, if I'm not grossly mistaken, for all of his posts... ctrlV ctrlC)

& ad-infinitum-nausea; di tayo matatapos kung isusulat lahat yan dito...

I'm well aware that I have earned a nasty rep within the site as (to quote master Celestino) "palaaway"...
---I will always give my crit/comment as honest as I could & as concise as possible as well. But only to those who deserve it.
---I will most definitely humiliate those who take me for a stupid old dog but I will only do so after giving that person enough time to wisen up. I do this to those who are so thick skulled they refuse to see the error of their ways... Shocktherapy for lack of a better word... I really don't care if I become the devil incarnate within their minds; If i elicit some emotion from the festering passivity, I've done half the job. The other half, of course, is up to them...

parang kilala ko to..ako yata to ay hindi pala ako guru....kidding aside, honestly tinamaan din ako dito...most of the time noong una yan din ang mga post comments ko sometimes until now but I realized pano kaya matuto kung ganun or ganito lang nakukuha natin sa comments ng iba...well I thank you for that comment but how will others appreciate you if ganun din ang comment mo, ang labas nyan nagbobolahan na lang tayo...di naman masama kung i appreciate mo pero mas lalong hindi masama kung maging honest ang opinon mo according to your criticism...sana mabago ko na din ang ctrlv ctrlc habit ko.....

I know this guy master cloud & sir archi_ram.
but that guy didnt use ctrlV ctrlC, he typed it with heart - each & every posts
By the way thanks for the heads up- now he realized ( felt guilty )
"Food for thought"

Thank you very much guys.

by Canadium on Sun May 02, 2010 6:14 pm

exodus wrote:minsan kasi takot magcomment yung mga bagohan lalo na yung post nila eh hindi naman gaano kaganda sa thread na yun.baka sabihing"hindi mu nga naayos yung trbho mu,magcomment ka pa sa akin"..parang ganun po..possible po dba..kaya yung iba possitve comments na lang lahat...

Yes Sir, that's the reality. Many newbies think that way. They are just too afraid to face the backlash from their honest comments which is so sad, very sad and that's bad.

by jepoyeah on Sun May 02, 2010 7:39 pm

agree ako ky mastercloud at sir canadium.pano matututo ang isang tao kng puro puri lng ang nababasa sa critics khit my mali or should i say my pwede png i-improve sa render nya.sa lahat nmn ng mga ngpopost lalo na sa mga newbies like me wag masamain ang mga negative critics instead take that as a challenge.

by cloud20 on Mon May 03, 2010 12:29 am

rangalua wrote:
I know this guy master cloud & sir archi_ram.
but that guy didnt use ctrlV ctrlC, he typed it with heart - each & every posts
By the way thanks for the heads up- now he realized ( felt guilty )
"Food for thought"

Thank you very much guys.

You let that guy know that my statement wasn't made in spite; merely an observation. Let him know too that this positive attitude adds heaps to his personal growth. But I still don't feel his avatar; its like asking asking me to go mano y mano or sumthin... but that's just me; outspoken...

Positive reaction; half the job done...

by cloud20 on Tue May 04, 2010 1:35 am

C'mon guys, especially the youngsters; don't be afraid of the boogie man... Join this discussion; beneficial to sa community as a whole...

by theomatheus on Tue May 04, 2010 3:03 am

ganda ng thread na ito..ako baguhan lng ako ang unang napansin ko yung mga magkakakilala lng ang nagcocoment sa mga gawa nila..and porket kakilala nya ayaw na nya i critic yung gawa nya...puros papuri nalang...(napansin ko lng po)kaya yung iba nga ayaw ng mag critic lalo na kaming mga baguhan and yung cinabi ni master cloud na copy and paste.totoo yan!!! (kahit ako ginawa ko na yan)... dapat master bokkins meron tayong CGP CRITIC dito.hehehehe..parang c barrley ng evermotion..

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