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Post by bokkins on Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm

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Hi guys, I've been wanting to open this up dati pa. Gawin natin tong small discussion on how to properly criticize a work by colleagues to guide us into a better understanding of what we are doing.

Aside from the fact that we are super sensitive as artist, lalo na when it comes to our personal works. It is also important that we stress the points of improvement directly and objectively. Wala na sanang pasikot sikot pa o pasaring na tipong double meaning ang dating.

The goal of this thread is to develop a good sense of critic.

Below are some phrases or words that I personally do not like seeing in post: You may also share yours and suggests. Everybody is welcome to contribute.

1. parang may mali... or sa monitor ko lang. (what's the sense kung iba naman pala ang monitor mo di ba?)
2. nagtataka lang ako sa door (ground floor), parang grainy sya, o sa mata ko lang. (avoid na natin yung mga side comments na sa mata ko lang, hindi talaga nakakatulong sa pagimprove yan.)
3...

Ito naman ang mga suggestions ko on how to critic:
1. point out the mistakes
2. suggest solutions on how to improve them
3. explain why if you find anything odd
4. suggest references if you have time
5. go direct to the point
6. be objective
7. avoid unnecessary comments
8. avoid using local dialects for everyone to benefit from the discussions

Sa thread na to, sana maimprove natin ang pagcritic. Yung mga compliments naman, hayaan na muna natin, these are ego boosters which I have observed will help improve a persons mood. a happy mood means good everything. Smile
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bokkins on Mon May 10, 2010 8:22 am

reyknow wrote:assuming accuse "us", well di ko sigurado kung pinagsabihan ba sya or not kasi di ko nakita, pero yun nga di ko nga nakita. mejo napikon ako dun sa sinabi ni lobsang rampa kaya mas maganda sana kung nabasa ko na pinagsabihan nga sya.

tska di naman kelangan pakita yung personal message, i mean yung pinagsabihan sa thread mismo.

sa pagkakaalam ko naresolve at nadiscuss na natin nyan. hindi pa din pala tapos yan. sa akin lang, kung may personal ka na galit kay lobsang, sana harapin nyo lalaki sa lalaki. eh kung napagusapan na at ibabalik pa ulit. parang di na lalaki yun. sa pagkakaalam ko talaga nagmediate na ako sa away nyo na yun at alam ko na solved na ang topic na yun.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by reyknow on Mon May 10, 2010 8:32 am

yep, matagal na yun. pero alam mo yun yung parang nakakapikon lang yung mga taong ganun na di marunong din tumanggap ng comment, pano pa kaya kung kitisismo pa diba? nagdadagdag lang sa tread na ang title ang "how to criticize a work". im saying dapat marunong din tumanggap ng criticism yung kausaup mo, diba?
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by zdesign on Mon May 10, 2010 8:55 am

-lahat siguro tayo tinamaan sa thread na to,masakit tanggapin pero totoo naman e...di lahat ng na post natin dito e sa tingin mo e maganda na sayo.kung pakinisan ng render ang pag uusapan ang dami magagaling dito kahit mga newbie ang gagaling.sa totoo lang sa short period of time na pagpasok ko dito sa site na to ang dami ko nareceived na comment at critic na alam kung makakatulong sa kin masakit man o hindi ang laking tulong.ang masakit lang sa mga nagcocomment e yong walang laman...mas gusto ko pang sabihing pangit or sablay ang gawa ko kasi kaya nga critic/comment,pero suggest lang kung bakit ka nag critic/comment kung ano gagawin.pag minsan di na ako comment sa mga magagandang render pwera lang sa maganda ang drama or kakaiba ang style ng nag post.
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lahat tayo di pare pareho ang mata sa pagsilip ng magandang desenyo or obra,kung sa tingin mo maganda na sa yo sa iba di pala papasa.maraming basihan bago ka mag critic/comment ng isang obra,andyan na pumapasok ang concept,aesthetic,materials/texture...etc.wag natin sabihin na makinis lang ang render natin e maganda na ang obra mo...isa lang yan.wala sana magtatampo kung bakit walang nagcritic/comment sa gawa mo.tingnan mo kung ilan ang nagview sa gawa mo...ibig sabihin may nakakakita ng gawa mo pangit man o hindi.
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by v_wrangler on Mon May 10, 2010 8:03 pm

reyknow wrote:assuming accuse "us", well di ko sigurado kung pinagsabihan ba sya or not kasi di ko nakita, pero yun nga di ko nga nakita. mejo napikon ako dun sa sinabi ni lobsang rampa kaya mas maganda sana kung nabasa ko na pinagsabihan nga sya.

tska di naman kelangan pakita yung personal message, i mean yung pinagsabihan sa thread mismo.

Ano ang professional na comment at ano ang hindi professional na comment? Paki-enumerate. Baka magkaiba ng standard mo at ng iyong tinutukoy. You cannot claim one to be generally unprofessional if the standards with which you base your expectations were different from the rest.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by v_wrangler on Mon May 10, 2010 8:07 pm

3dpjumong2007 wrote:

ot:member ka ba sir dati sa PKA ha ha ha, tony ferrer is an official dati and also roberto gonzales mga dati officers sa Philippine Karate Association? fan ako dati sa mga yan he he he.na mention ko lng dahil sa avatar nyo.. is there any connection ?

OT: Since you're around my age, you've probably watched most of the x44 movies when we were young, roberto gonzales, ramon zamora, jun aristorenas at isama mo na si wengweng.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by arkiedmund on Mon May 10, 2010 8:12 pm

@vertex.. i remember weng weng and even jun aristorenas...musmos pa ako nun kaso...hahaha...

Back topic guys...

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by torvicz on Mon May 10, 2010 10:58 pm

@ dude verts, please enlighten me, sino si roberto gonzales? ung tatlo kilala ko yan e...

sorry OT.
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by ERICK on Mon May 10, 2010 11:03 pm

torvicz wrote:@ dude verts, please enlighten me, sino si roberto gonzales? ung tatlo kilala ko yan e...

sorry OT.

dude heto sagot sa katanungan mo

Roberto Gonzales BIOGRAPHY




Father was Valentino H. Gonzales, aka "The Father of Filipino Karate". 8th Dan, ShidoKan Shorin-ryu, under Katsuya Miyahira, Okinawa.

Like his father, Roberto is also a karate master.

He is a reel and real martial arts expert, he first starred in films produced by his own movie outfit opposite popular and big actresses like Liberty Ilagan and Amalia Fuentes. Under Premiere Productions, Inc, he appeared in Pambihirang Tatlo with Bernard Belleza and Eddie Fernandez.

Sister is 'Magna Gonzales who starred in LAdy Untouchable.



1. Ako ang lalagot sa hininga mo (1999)

2. Heroes Hill (1983)
3. Objective 2400 (1980)
4. Deadly Fighters (1980)
5. Pangkat Do or Die (1980)

6. Ahas sa Pugad Lawin (1979)
7. Habang ako'ng batas (1971) (as Roberto Gonzalez)
8. Kontra hari (1971) (as Roberto Gonzalez)
9. Sa kamay ng tatlong takas (1971) (as Roberto Gonzalez)

10. Battle of Champions (1968)
11. Bulag na matador (1968)
12. Chaku Judo Aikido o Karate (1968)
13. Deadly Trio (1968)
14. Hari ng slums (1968) .... Hari ng slums
15. Ito ang digmaan (1968)
16. Karate Commandos (1968)
17. Karate, samurai, at pagibig (1968)
18. Kidlat sa karate (1968)
19. Suntok o karate (1968)
20. That Man Mr. Impossible (1968)
21. Bertong karate (1967) (as Roberto Gonzalez)
22. Digmaan sa karate (1967)
23. Master Fighter (1967) (as Roberto Gonzalez) .... Master Fighter
24. Pambihirang pito (1967) (as Roberto Gonzalez)
25. Cobra (1966) (as Roberto Gonzalez)
26. Hari ng karate (1966)

27. Bob Guerrero (????) .... Bob Guerrero
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by zdesign on Mon May 10, 2010 11:03 pm

wala na yata sa topic?
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by kurdaps! on Mon May 10, 2010 11:06 pm

zdesign wrote:wala na yata sa topic?

Back to topic please.....thanks!

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by torvicz on Mon May 10, 2010 11:06 pm

OT:

thaks dude george, pero di ko na talaga sya kilala, hehe...
hanggang ramon zamora lang ako..haha at wengweng...

sorry OTing OT na....

BTT napo....
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by 3dpjumong2007 on Tue May 11, 2010 8:28 pm

weeeewwwwwwwwwww!eric talaga ! he he he! bakit nga pala napunta jan usapan ? oo nga no ,inumpisahan ko kasi sori pala mga tol? pero i think tapos na ata ang topic na to , mukhang tahimik na ehh....btw eric ? bilib ako sayu ,alam na alam mo , karateka ka talaga...ha ha ah aha... ot na naman!

peace man Laughing

ok saan na nga ba si baste?sa kakahintay namin eh kahit ano na lumalabas sa isip namin.. pero kung ano man ang di pag kakauna waan dito ,wag lng po natin daanin sa silent mode ... speak out !maybe para sayo is enough already, but honestly only those first phrases are clear but doon sa huli paki clarify lng po para maiwasan namin mag isip ng negatibo...

Hindi lahat ng magaling ay magaling at hindi lahat ng hindi magaling ay wlang alam...iisa lang ang dapat isa alang alang ng bawat pumuna sa mga gawa o nakikita ng bawat isa sa katulad ng elektronikong talaan ng mga kasayanan o pagpapakita ng bawat anking galing o talino sa paglikha ng kanilang mga obra o pulidong trabaho sa bawat antas ng kasanayan..Huwag mong pansin ang pumupuna sa sayo bagkus tulungan mo sila hindi ko kailangan ang mamagaling ang kailangan ko ay ang may mga sakit....

kung babasahin ko paulit ulit ito ,para sa akin , ang dating ay parang may galit ang pagkakasabi ...the way the message was given i think doesnt contribute to the things we want to deliver ...madali lng kasi matrace ang objective by looking at the way the message was given ...


dont get me wrong bro !ang reason ko lng naman ehh to be acquainted with all the members like magka barkada ,
we just want to make sure sa byahe namin dito sa cgp kung saan man tayo patungo walang mahuhulog ika nga kapit bisig ... hope you understand that we just want transparency around the site para kahit magkasalubong man tayo dito or sa labas , i have the chance to say hi !
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by cloud20 on Tue May 11, 2010 10:02 pm

aysekandemowsyon ke heneral...
anyways the thread has run its course, I think... Me mga pagbabago na naman sa threads eh... sana continous na lang hindi ningas cogon...
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bartsimpson on Wed May 12, 2010 8:10 am

no comment ....lets all just be fair and learn whats our mistakes....

lets all have peace and good interaction with fellow cgpians ....

thank you ...mabuhay ang CGPINOY 2thumbsup
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by augurio on Thu May 13, 2010 12:40 am

just read this in the other forum hope we learn from this in making c&c.


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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by cloud20 on Sun May 16, 2010 1:18 am

augurio wrote:just read this in the other forum hope we learn from this in making c&c.


O, bakit walang reaction dito?...
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by Valiant on Sun May 16, 2010 1:45 am

cloud20 wrote:
augurio wrote:just read this in the other forum hope we learn from this in making c&c.


O, bakit walang reaction dito?...

mas okay kung ibinigay ung link para naman mareview natin kung bakit ganun ung reply sa TS... Smile
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by SunDance on Sun May 16, 2010 1:56 am

Valiant wrote:
cloud20 wrote:
augurio wrote:just read this in the other forum hope we learn from this in making c&c.


O, bakit walang reaction dito?...

mas okay kung ibinigay ung link para naman mareview natin kung bakit ganun ung reply sa TS... Smile

this is the case where pinoy comments puts more emphasis on race (pinoy pride) rather than the art itself. just my two cents
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by epjarchitect on Wed May 19, 2010 3:05 pm

this is a good thread..isa din ito sa mga dahilan na ayaw ko na mag comment kasi no'ng minsan nag comment ako sa isang master dito at nag suggest ako lang ata ang negative non at hindi pinapansin dahil seguro lahat nag sasabi ng possitive at saka dahil narin sa ego...kaya nga mas maganda tong sina suggest ni sir Bokkins deritsohan nalang at saka magbigay ng suggestion yon ang tama..Tapos yong ego natin babaan natin ng kunti...at isa din ako niyan..
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by tarugong_ginintuan on Wed May 19, 2010 4:08 pm

totoo, mga paps, to some of you i have commented na, pasensya na.
i just wanted to prove something.

about a week ago nag comment ang isa kong fren sa isa sa inyo, we were surprised kasi wala namang masama sa comment nya, maganda naman pagkakasabi, but napikon parin.

this gave me the idea to see how far can most of u can go.

so i registered and made some harsh but true comments.

surprisingly i was banned just the day after. baka nga wala pa, overnight lang, jejeje

so i registered again, and made a topic. entitled "PIKON NGA BA ANG MGA PINOY RENDERERS" again, just a few minutes after posting. wala na post ko, ban nanaman ako.

i registered again. this time i spoke with the moderator who kicked me out.
i was asking kung bakit. i never got the answer i needed. i was told to read the forum rules intead. i never said anything harsh to this mod, in fact magalang pa nga ako.

this morning, ban nanaman ako!
jejeje, tatlong beses na ako na ban dito,whew

dont get me wrong, hindi ako nag pupumilit maka pasok dito sa inyo. as i've said" just wanted to prove something" true enough! pikon mostly mga tao dito. ano bang forum to puro papuri gusto nyo, pag negative, magagalit kayo. pag mas masakit, ibaban ninyo. weh TALO!

@bokkins, kurdaps,mga pare i dont mean no harm, pero i think its time that u re think about the issue. mamaya lang banned nanaman ako, for sure. don'w worry i wont be registering again. i just hope may napulot lang kayo sa pangugulo ko ng ilang araw. jejeje

a healthy forum is supposed to have positive , negative, sometimes harsh comments and suggestions, wala pa kayo sa langit mga bro. wag kayo masyado mabait dito, di naman nakakamatay magcomment ng di maganda, kung totoo naman. ako nga buhay pa! weh.

again sa mga nacommentan ko, peace. napagdiskitahan lang po

o, ano to, sandali me nararamdaman ako, sandali di pa ako tapos, lintik binaban na ako, huwag muna!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by whey09 on Wed May 19, 2010 6:24 pm

@ sir tarugong, my personal opninion lang po,

first of all sir tama ka na mali nga yung isang member na napikon sa comment pero parang mali din ata naging reaction mo. Dapat sir pinaliwanag mo kung bakit ganun ang comment mo. Ma baban ka nga sir kung gumawa ka ng harsh comment at nasa forum rules natin yun.

second, Yung topic na ginawa mo sir, bawal din yun kaya na ban ka for the second time,

third, i dont know kung eto talaga reason nung moderator kung bakit ka na ban ulit. Bawal kasi gumawa ng multiple accounts dito. Dapat hinintay mo na lang muna matapos yung ban mo.

Mali naman ata yung sinabi mo na pikon mostly mga tao dito. Hindi mo pa nakilala lahat ng members dito. Maybe naka tiempo ka lang ng member na madaling mapikon. And Im sure napikon ka rin nung ma ban ka ng tatlong beses, am I right? Hindi ka naman ibaban ng mga moderator kung walang reason talaga. Kahit sino pwede ma ban dito kung lalabag siya sa forum rues natin.

Anyway, tama ka na dapat healthy forum ito na dapat may negative at harsh comments minsan. Malaki na ang pagbabago ngayon sa mga comments and natauhan na yung mga members dati na napipikon agad.

Hintayin natin side ng mga moderator. Personal opinion ko lang ito. PEace!
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bokkins on Wed May 19, 2010 6:24 pm

ok let me make this clear. hindi masama ang comments mo,

1. pero ang username mo is offensive, you violated a rule there.
2. text speak is another violation.

Kaya ka naban. you don't read the rules. I am banning you once again. if you really want to join and make good/negative comments, register again and register well. kung hindi, we will banned your IP. Sorry to jhero and bobpen kung masasali sila dito.

Again this is your last warning. don't make us do something more than this. I'm telling you. I hope that's clear.
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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by silvercrown on Wed May 19, 2010 6:42 pm

tarugong_ginintuan wrote:totoo, mga paps, to some of you i have commented na, pasensya na.
i just wanted to prove something.

about a week ago nag comment ang isa kong fren sa isa sa inyo, we were surprised kasi wala namang masama sa comment nya, maganda naman pagkakasabi, but napikon parin.

this gave me the idea to see how far can most of u can go.

so i registered and made some harsh but true comments.

surprisingly i was banned just the day after. baka nga wala pa, overnight lang, jejeje

so i registered again, and made a topic. entitled "PIKON NGA BA ANG MGA PINOY RENDERERS" again, just a few minutes after posting. wala na post ko, ban nanaman ako.

i registered again. this time i spoke with the moderator who kicked me out.
i was asking kung bakit. i never got the answer i needed. i was told to read the forum rules intead. i never said anything harsh to this mod, in fact magalang pa nga ako.

this morning, ban nanaman ako!
jejeje, tatlong beses na ako na ban dito,whew

dont get me wrong, hindi ako nag pupumilit maka pasok dito sa inyo. as i've said" just wanted to prove something" true enough! pikon mostly mga tao dito. ano bang forum to puro papuri gusto nyo, pag negative, magagalit kayo. pag mas masakit, ibaban ninyo. weh TALO!

@bokkins, kurdaps,mga pare i dont mean no harm, pero i think its time that u re think about the issue. mamaya lang banned nanaman ako, for sure. don'w worry i wont be registering again. i just hope may napulot lang kayo sa pangugulo ko ng ilang araw. jejeje

a healthy forum is supposed to have positive , negative, sometimes harsh comments and suggestions, wala pa kayo sa langit mga bro. wag kayo masyado mabait dito, di naman nakakamatay magcomment ng di maganda, kung totoo naman. ako nga buhay pa! weh.

again sa mga nacommentan ko, peace. napagdiskitahan lang po

o, ano to, sandali me nararamdaman ako, sandali di pa ako tapos, lintik binaban na ako, huwag muna!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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Ikaw naman bigyan ko ng comment and criticism....

Maniniwala na sana ako sayo... sinundan ko yung mga comments mo sa ibang thread, ang daming sablay... basta maka-comment lang, walang laman... kunyari marunong ka, ala namang kwenta pinagsasabi mo...
You're trying hard to be like a "fugitive" kaso napasobra, naging "trying hard" ka nlng tuloy...
On this piece of yours, you try to show that you're credible, again sablay na naman, it's sooooo "MORONIC" of you to use that stupid pseudonym... yan lang ba kaya mo? utak ang gamitin, wag "tar*go"! naging kawawa ka tuloy tingnan, nagpupumulit kang mapansin...
Gusto mo atang mag ala robinhood, a fugitive with a good cause... pero you're incapable of the role... di mo kakayanin...
Para kang intellectually challenged.... gusto ko rin sana sakyan yung diskarte mo kaso mukhang mababaw yung intellectual capacity mo, di mo kayang idepensa actions mo, so far puro pasaring lang ginagawa mo...
Arkitekto ka ba talaga? ba't parang di ka naka-graduate sa elementary? balikan ko uli yung pseudonym mo, di mo ginamitan ng utak! o sadyang WALA ka neto? nagtaka ka pa kung baket ka na ban? f*cking idiot....
May pa "prove something" ka pang nalalaman... anung i-prove mo? na wala kang kakwenta-kwenta?
Kung totoo yung ipinangangalandakan mong hangarin, wag kang magtago sa "tar*go" ng boyfriend mo pseudonym...
Magpakatotoo ka... kabaklaan yang ginagawa mo... ayusin mo sarili mo oi!

Hmmm... so there are guys din pala sharing your IP ad... madali ka lang palang hulihin e...
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Post by 3dpjumong2007 on Wed May 19, 2010 9:35 pm

your username reflects kung ano ang personality mo ,ganun pa man , i payed respect and nag pm ako sayo , but here you are? ano pa masasabi ko ...kahit ano sasabihin mo you will never earn trust and respect , ikaw mismo sumira sa sarili mo..its just simple ..kung naintindihan mo ..just simply change your username..wag kang bata bro.. pls grow up..
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Post by ONCIRE on Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:48 pm

ok to.. especially sa mga bago pa lang in cg world.. para lalo pang gumaling.. actualy everyday is a learning process... ..everytime na dumadalaw ako dito cgpinoy..i learn new things.. thumbsup
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Post by vhychenq on Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:21 am

wow,ganda pala magbasa ng forums.daming natutunan.hehehe,magbabasabasa muna talaga ako bago ako ulit magpost ng kung ano man dito.hehehe rules lang kasi yung una kong binasa dito.thanks po sir bokks sa mga thread na katulad nito!Godbless!

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