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How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bokkins on Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm

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Hi guys, I've been wanting to open this up dati pa. Gawin natin tong small discussion on how to properly criticize a work by colleagues to guide us into a better understanding of what we are doing.

Aside from the fact that we are super sensitive as artist, lalo na when it comes to our personal works. It is also important that we stress the points of improvement directly and objectively. Wala na sanang pasikot sikot pa o pasaring na tipong double meaning ang dating.

The goal of this thread is to develop a good sense of critic.

Below are some phrases or words that I personally do not like seeing in post: You may also share yours and suggests. Everybody is welcome to contribute.

1. parang may mali... or sa monitor ko lang. (what's the sense kung iba naman pala ang monitor mo di ba?)
2. nagtataka lang ako sa door (ground floor), parang grainy sya, o sa mata ko lang. (avoid na natin yung mga side comments na sa mata ko lang, hindi talaga nakakatulong sa pagimprove yan.)
3...

Ito naman ang mga suggestions ko on how to critic:
1. point out the mistakes
2. suggest solutions on how to improve them
3. explain why if you find anything odd
4. suggest references if you have time
5. go direct to the point
6. be objective
7. avoid unnecessary comments
8. avoid using local dialects for everyone to benefit from the discussions

Sa thread na to, sana maimprove natin ang pagcritic. Yung mga compliments naman, hayaan na muna natin, these are ego boosters which I have observed will help improve a persons mood. a happy mood means good everything. Smile

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by jumong2007 on Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:51 pm

kung maganda talaga sa loobin natin in joining the community i think we dont need such misleading signatures that only sparks negative reactions , whats the purpose? perhaps a motto or slogan maybe considerable as a signature perhaps 3dpinoy's signature has gone below the belt and alam naman natin na walang master sa atin lahat dito lahat tayo nag mamaster .. kung mang gugulo kayo wag dito sa cgp ....pakilala mo na kayo kung maari may may " introduce yourself na thread "," ym na thread" para naman transparent kayo sa mga members if our intentions are really clean ....when we comment say it literrally!and dont hide ,show who you really are, di naman kita nakikita ehh What a Face

sa username palang and signature may malice na ano pa kaya ang intentions? i leave it to you guys kung baga sa linya ni lolo cloud "dont let our collective intelligence being fooled with such.............."errrrrrrrrr nalimutan ko ehh

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by cloud20 on Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:44 pm

Tito Jumong ikaw ha sinali mo nanaman ako. Sa mga crits just tell it like it is; if its red call it red... Sa mga "giggly" guys who just wanna have some fun at the expense of others; "giggle" away y'all... Some big fishies are "gigglin" at your expense too anyway... Vicious cycle folks...

Plain, simple, straight to the point...
And the asskissers, well, they all know they look exactly like the asses they're kissin; but they don't mind just as long as they can kiss ass... And level up to ass lickers... Until they finally become the asses themselves...

What a wonderful world...

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by maximus aurelius on Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:50 pm

sinu bayang 3dpinoy na yan, masaya na kmi dito sa cgp.. ang mga gusto manira kalma nalang kayo dyan sa kinatatayuan niyo ookkiiee!!!! Shocked

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by trueartist on Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:10 pm

sandwich20m wrote:
darkwarrior wrote:para sa mga tatamaan at mga nag babalak pasensya na magpakatotoo lamang tayo.....bakit kailangan natin gumawa pa ng ibang account para masabi lang natin yung sa loobin natin ito man ay negatibo o makakasagasa ng sa loobin ng maaring kakilala natin o kilala tayo ito ba'y nagpapakita lamang na di tayo totoo o duwag lang tayo o iwas PUSOY....marahil napapansin din natin na katakot takot na mga nagsusulputang bagong account na animo'y isang tao lamang ang nag mamay-ari...bakit di tayo maging totoo....linisin sana ang listahan ng mga members dahil sobrang dami pero isa lamang ang nagmama-ari...

pedeng magawa ng mods to pero ma trabaho using ip checker. sa pag edit palang ng textspeak at title ng thread e malaking oras na yung kinakain para sa mods.

sagot lang po sa IP Checker.OT ulit.para sa paglilinaw.
magandang araw ulit, IMHO sa pag lilinis ng mga miyembro dito sa pag gamit ng IP checker isa lamng paraan, hindi po ganun ka accurate ito.
maaari malaman ng admin or mods yung ip address ng isang miyembro pero hindi po ito kasiguruhan na nasa tamang kumpanya, lugar at bansa ang gumamit nito.
maaaring PHBB ang gamit ng forum natin kc naka buit-in sa admin area na every registration is ma rerecord IPs-Country-Location and If dedicated namanIPs-Country-Location-Specific place on area.
at kung static yun routher naman, sa loob lang ng office yun pag labas na ng office nyo(Internet) office IP nyo naka register.
maraming PROXY IP address na available online, maari kasing gumamit ng ibang IP address para hindi malaman at tunay na location or gamitin ang isang IP Address ng isang kumpanya at gawing proxy.
Lalo na ang mga Free IP kasi hindi ka detected kc walang feature sa PHBB ang internal linking IPs kaya d makikita primary IP na gamit mo.
sana po naliwanagan kayo sa munting paglilinaw regarding sa IP Address.
sa madaling salita maraming pwedeng gumamit ng ibat-ibang IP at maaaring kumopya ng ibang IP at gamiting PRoxy ito.
salamat at magandag araw sa lahat.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bokkins on Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:34 am

Dyan sa IP issue na yan. Hindi naman natin concern kung san silang lugar. Ang concern lang natin is pag nalock ang IP na yan, hindi na din makakapasok ang other members using the same IP. So if 1 person in an office is banned, ok pa. Pero pag makulit pa din at gagawa ulit ng new account. What we do is lock the IP. Meaning, damay ang officemates.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by markitekdesign on Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:56 am

bokkins wrote:Dyan sa IP issue na yan. Hindi naman natin concern kung san silang lugar. Ang concern lang natin is pag nalock ang IP na yan, hindi na din makakapasok ang other members using the same IP. So if 1 person in an office is banned, ok pa. Pero pag makulit pa din at gagawa ulit ng new account. What we do is lock the IP. Meaning, damay ang officemates.

agree...


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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by trueartist on Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:06 am

bokkins wrote:Dyan sa IP issue na yan. Hindi naman natin concern kung san silang lugar. Ang concern lang natin is pag nalock ang IP na yan, hindi na din makakapasok ang other members using the same IP. So if 1 person in an office is banned, ok pa. Pero pag makulit pa din at gagawa ulit ng new account. What we do is lock the IP. Meaning, damay ang officemates.


tama ka Bokks, sino ba naman ang gagamit ng ip address nila sa office para mag register. alam ko na alam din ng mga miyembro
dito na lalabas ang IP address nila mapa tunay man or proxy IP lang sa admin pag silay nag tri-trip lang.
maaaring open account din ang pwedeng gamitin kung nasa isang opisina lang, ibig sabihin lahat sa opisina pwedeng gumamit sa account na ginawa. madalas ginagawa ito sa mga competition forums lalo na pag may wip ang thread at madalas Proxy IP rin ang gamit. ika nga "one account for all, all for one account" kapuso at kapamilya.Very Happy i-lock man account nila may kanya kanya pa rin ang mga yan.
sana naliwanagan din ang mga miyembro natin sa IP issues na maraming pwedeng gawin at hindi lang siya basehan sa tao man o lugar.
anyway, tapos na rin naman ang kabanatang ito.
tahimik na rin lahat at balik na rin sa normal.
magandang gabi.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by bokkins on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:16 pm

Medyo nalito ako sa explanation mo bro. Anyway.

FYI:

-Sa site natin, nakikita lahat ng IP na gamit mo.
-Kung online ka, nakikita kung san ka. Parang meron maliit na google maps then may pin na nakalagay kung san ang taong online ngayon.
-May specific button din sa mga replies na pwedeng makita kung san mo ginawa ang thread.
-Kaso lahat to admin lang nakakakita for privacy.

Ok, back to topic na tayo. Gagawan ko nalang to ng new thread if idiscuss pa natin.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by reygerali on Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:05 pm

To me maybe ip address doesnt make sense. im not an expert but i think only the service provider you can see not the real location. but if its like that then thats a good thing. Why not moderate or isolate the issue if think its not good for the forum.im sure moderators have control on that.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by dedspecdam on Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:40 am

thanks for this topic sir bokkins...
very informative...
suggest to read the whole 18 pages...
magiiba ang inyong pananaw sa pagbigay ng comment,

add ko lang sa mga bagong member tulad ko,
wag po tayong mawalan ng pag-asa kung walang nagiwan ng CnC sa ating gawa...
bagkus sana maging challenge ito sa atin, para lalung pagbutihin at magaral pa sa ating hilig...
malay natin balang araw me magbigay ng "abuloy" sa atin na ating iniidolo...bonus ika nga...

salamat po ulit sa walang sawa nyong pagbigay ng mga tutorials
at commento

more power po sa CGP at sa ating lahat!

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by v_wrangler on Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:59 am

HAHA!

Wow that was a surprise, halos nakalimutan ko na ah!
I can say that well yes - there's a truckload of good pointers in this thread - not to mention comedy! tongue


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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by Rheinfell on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:34 am

First & foremost please allow me to say "Thank you very much sa bumubuo ng CGPinoy.Org..." Very Happy most especially kay sir Bokkins & the admin/moderators... thank you din sa pag accept sa akin as member on this group. Very Happy
*Honestly, napakalaking tulong po to sa aming mga baguhang member na nagsisimula pa lang specially sa akin dahil marami akong natutunan dito thru sa mga comments & suggestions ng mga fellow members & the experts. Natutunan ang mga bagay na hirap intindihan or gawin.. At nakikita ko naman na marami ang nag-iimprove at mag-iimprove pa. Masaya din ako na naging bahagi ako ng grupo...
*Pasensya din po na ngaun ko lang lubos nabasa ang thread na ito at doon ko nalaman ang akin mga pagkakamali, hopefully maiiwasan na yung mga pagkakamali na yun. Kasi naniniwala po ako na sa mga puna sa trabaho, diyan natin malalaman ang ang ating kahinaan at pagkakamali at maisaayos sa tamang paraan. Kasi di ntin nkikita ang ating pagkakamali sa sarili, kundi sa mga taong nkapaligid sa atin, sa mga taong concern at totoong nagmamalasakit sa atin. Kasi diyan natututo ang tao sa pagkakamali, ikanga.
*Ang daming pong aral na napupulot ko dito specially sa thread na ito.
Tutulong din ako sa abot ng aking makakaya at maibahagi ang aking natutunan.
Maraming salamat po... Very Happy
More power!!! God Bless po sa lahat.

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Re: How to criticize a work?! (A small discussion)

Post by 3STAN on Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:07 pm

Ang ganda ng thread na ito, buti nalang naisipan na i open ang topic na ito.
Napansin ko kasi na yung pag cocoment ng iba parang pa cute lang and hindi direct to the point . Hindi kailangan maging rude pero mas maganda kung sabihin lang yung totoo makakatulong kapa.

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