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Post by hernandoloto on Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:32 am

Indian artist-they work with walt disney (thinkerbell and more)
Korean artist-disney channel (Dibo the gift dragon)
Malaysian artist-disney channel (upin and ipin, also have their own full length 3d movies where "upin and ipin" got thier debut)

I also read an old blog: http://rmsgentlewind.multiply.com/journal/item/19

I know that there are many talented cg pilipino, but where are they? they work in architectural firm here and abroad as ofw, work as a layout artist in advertising firm or web design company and so on.....why don't we consider that cg is serous job.

opinion lang po....
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by bokkins on Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:19 am

cguro ang nakikita lang natin bro are those posting here. pro medyo madami dami na din akong nakikita Filipino artist working on some big time movies like ironman 2, finding nemo at madaming pang upcoming movies.

cguro ang kulang sa atin are those in the media seeking for these artist and promoting them para magkaron ng awareness.

nandyan din ang studios sa makati at ortigas, and dami dyan.

and studio nila sir vertex

and studio nila mushroom.

and there's nothing wrong being with an architectural firm and working abroad.

In totality, ito ang mga cgartist na hinahanap mo, no we are not behind in the industry, we are competing.

naoutnumber lang cguro tayo ng india kasi sangkatutak sila eh, lalo na ng china. pro in proportion, pasok pa din tayo sa race.

wait and see. Smile
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by hernandoloto on Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:42 am

yap, I agree with you, a lot of cg artist i saw here in cgpinoy are actually greate and excelent in thier work and keep on improving, hoping sana mag continue so that we can be regonize.

I also have a who in animation company( matahari), the problem i think is the price, aside from maraming available sa india is mura pa ang lobor cost nila but i nterms of skills and qulity of work we can still compete with them.

and of course we need a big break and the company that will give a break for the pilipino artist.
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by moothe on Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:10 am

hernandoloto wrote:yap, I agree with you, a lot of cg artist i saw here in cgpinoy are actually greate and excelent in thier work and keep on improving, hoping sana mag continue so that we can be regonize.

I also have a who in animation company( matahari), the problem i think is the price, aside from maraming available sa india is mura pa ang lobor cost nila but i nterms of skills and qulity of work we can still compete with them.

and of course we need a big break and the company that will give a break for the pilipino artist.

yup, mura pa nga ang labor cost dito sa india sir...pero yung mga malalaking company dito like sa feild ng CG mga artist nila are filipinos,thats what i heard sa yahoo group ng mga filipino dito...mostly located in mumbai and bangalore... 2thumbsup 2thumbsup...
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by imanskoi on Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:51 am

i think hindi tayo nahuhuli boss. tama c boss bokkins, kulang lng talaga tayo sa awareness.marami jan nagkalat na mga pinoy cg artist kung saan-saan na magagaling.kaya lng mostly outsourcing lng talaga. One animation studio dito na alam kong my mga big clients ay ang Toon City with clients like Walt Disney Television Animation, Universal Animation, Warner Bros. Animation, MoonScoop Productions, etc.

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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by jenaro on Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:14 am

http://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/english/

Phils is the production hub of TOEI...one of my friend work here, kaya i dont think na Pilipino CG artist are behind.
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Post by v_wrangler on Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:21 am

depends on what you mean by behind - I believe that for the industry to move up we must put our foot forward from being the executioner to initiator.

The lack of hard hitting, business sustaninable original pinoy content is what making us all second to all of them.

Unfortunately for some, the issue is so miniscule to call attention. But the thought is - if we're doing cg for somebody else's projects, we're in their behinds arent we?

I'm sure these has been discussed here a million times and I have probably said the same stuff. I already forgot the keywords, maybe somebody else can point you to it.

PS> Thanks Boks for the special mention. While we may be able to work on projects that may stand value abroad - I'd be happy when the time comes when we are able to work on our own projects. Like other business would say, "We're working on it!" Smile
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by virus on Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:31 am

hmmm... I really like when the vertex wrangler give some comments and criticism sa kahit anu mang thread.. Sossy nga according to sir Onel.. Very Happy But i like it..

Sa Wall-E, filipino din naman ang isang CG artist duon.. And he is an Architect.. Napanoud ko lang sa news dati kaya ko alam.. Very Happy
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by bokkins on Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:52 am

also, check mo din yung mga kasali sa 2d competition natin. sila ang masasabi kong representative ng Pilipinas sa larangan ng CG.

Madami pa yan silang malulupit. Nagtatago lang yung iba kasi busy. Smile
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by hernandoloto on Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:20 pm

v_wrangler wrote:depends on what you mean by behind - I believe that for the industry to move up we must put our foot forward from being the executioner to initiator.

The lack of hard hitting, business sustaninable original pinoy content is what making us all second to all of them.

Unfortunately for some, the issue is so miniscule to call attention. But the thought is - if we're doing cg for somebody else's projects, we're in their behinds arent we?

I'm sure these has been discussed here a million times and I have probably said the same stuff. I already forgot the keywords, maybe somebody else can point you to it.

PS> Thanks Boks for the special mention. While we may be able to work on projects that may stand value abroad - I'd be happy when the time comes when we are able to work on our own projects. Like other business would say, "We're working on it!" Smile

yap, i agree with you sir, in terms of others fields in cg like architectural visualization and 2d cg artist, we are still in level with them.

What we need is big break for the pinoy cg artist who work in aniamtion/movies, that can we called "our own" and that will be the turning point of cg pinoy artist and animators.
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by v_wrangler on Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:27 pm

DI ako sossy virus, i can be as kowboy as can be.

The problem with the industry is our culture. We aren't trained to be business-oriented starters. Rather than become entrepreneurs , we were trained by the society to be employees or followers. Not that there aren't good leaders in the industries - but most of them have either left for abroad or have been working on projects that were either conceptualized by another foreign mind or simply farmed out locally.

If we will gauge the individual designer abilities - of course there is no reason to say that we are inferior. We can work alongside with our foreign counterparts and our skills are second to none. Don't take this as a general assessment though. Of course Mabuhay ang Pinoy! Pero hindi lahat.

The industry would probably take a good turning point when all of us are able to create concepts that will instill original filipino values and express our unique culture. Enough of the bahags, and the lapu-lapus and our imitations of disney and pixar. Our culture is so rich with concepts that have business potentials. We just have to dig deeper and learn to nurture and develop the ideas we can pick up from our culture. There is only one important ingredient that must be present at all times - our projects along this line should have a global appeal - without it, we will not have the audience we so desire, and without audiences to provide patronage - the industry will not be able to sustain it's business vialbility and we will find ourselves, simply the manpower export capital...

Not that it's bad though, maybe not now but sooner, imagine a philippine drained with its brains...
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by Canadium on Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:54 pm

@ v_wrangler - I agree with you. Hindi masyadong business minded ang pinoy. Sa culture natin kasi kapag ambitious parang masama like ambisyoso / ambisyosa. Tapos ang pagiging self employed or may sariling negosyo is associated with nagtitinda sa banketa / palenke. So it's no surprise that most of the large businesses in our country are controlled by Filipino Chinese. I have been living for almost a decade in north america and had observed na kakaunti lang ang percentage ng pinoy na may business when compared to other ethnic groups like Chinese & Indians. Tapos kung may business sila, usually Filipino store or balikbayan box. This pinoy characteristic is so embedded on our genes that it gets exported too. Parang doon sa kantang New York, 'If I can make it here, I can make it everywhere.
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by eyecon01 on Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:58 pm

Hello guys... Agree ako ke sir vertex.

Hindi naman sa pag mamayabang but with enough time, money and talented (and dedicated) people we can come up with a very nice project. Here is one classic example done a few years ago:



That was done by a pure filipino group, except of course of the actors and partly the CG supe, but then it shows we can do it.

The ideas are there, its just the the money and the willingness to invest. Mentality and business trends also is killing our CG industry since no one wants to spend multi-millions on a single project... masyadong risky for them. Kasi naman yung film natin, they want to spend less and earn more. Kayat patok yung mga love stories kasi mayadong mababa yung production cost and yung post-production. In a sense our films at times cost even less than some commercials that you see on TV.

But on the bright side... RPG full length animation is already in the works and hopefully matapos na. That might catalyze investors to take the risk and produce an international calibre film / cg animation.
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Post by kat palmares on Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:08 pm

kindqa agree with v_wrangler too. everytime i browse tons ofchinese architectural books by rihan and then comparing it to the renderings of our fellow filipinos dito palang sa cgpinoy, we really do have the skill, we can even produce a book like those, and i bet it'll sell big time!!.( i am always thinking about this type of business). its a perfect way to show what pinoy cg artist can really achieve.
anyway.

we are competitive by skill... definitely not behind
but in terms of pronouncing it?... kulang pa po siguro.
but the good thing is,,, we're not stopping!!! 2thumbsup
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Post by The-Hand on Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:34 pm

Impossible that we are behind. I've work with Toon City in the Philippines before for a looong time and I could say that we've produced a lot more animated content than you have ever mention sa mga upcoming countries na yan. The truth is di tayo huli nauna tayo, sila ang bago sa field. Di lang mayabang ang mga pinoy at minsan kulang lang sa pagpapakalat ng balita. You never know but some of the animated movies you or your kid is watching is done by Filipinos in the Philippines.
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by moothe on Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:42 pm

v_wrangler wrote:DI ako sossy virus, i can be as kowboy as can be.

The problem with the industry is our culture. We aren't trained to be business-oriented starters. Rather than become entrepreneurs , we were trained by the society to be employees or followers. Not that there aren't good leaders in the industries - but most of them have either left for abroad or have been working on projects that were either conceptualized by another foreign mind or simply farmed out locally.

If we will gauge the individual designer abilities - of course there is no reason to say that we are inferior. We can work alongside with our foreign counterparts and our skills are second to none. Don't take this as a general assessment though. Of course Mabuhay ang Pinoy! Pero hindi lahat.

The industry would probably take a good turning point when all of us are able to create concepts that will instill original filipino values and express our unique culture. Enough of the bahags, and the lapu-lapus and our imitations of disney and pixar. Our culture is so rich with concepts that have business potentials. We just have to dig deeper and learn to nurture and develop the ideas we can pick up from our culture. There is only one important ingredient that must be present at all times - our projects along this line should have a global appeal - without it, we will not have the audience we so desire, and without audiences to provide patronage - the industry will not be able to sustain it's business vialbility and we will find ourselves, simply the manpower export capital...

Not that it's bad though, maybe not now but sooner, imagine a philippine drained with its brains...


I agree with you sir V..

and this is also the big difference between filipinos and chinesse or indians,mostly of us filipinos will dream to finish a degree in college in order to land a better job and make money while a chinesse or indian most will dream to finish his/her degree in college for him/her to pursue and be qualified for the MBA program...
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Post by v_wrangler on Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:48 pm

As I mentioned in the post above - it will all make a difference depending on what one may be looking at.

I look at the issue as an industry and without doubt, the US, Europe, Korea and Japan remain at the limelight. Why? Because all the cool stuff comes from them!

If one would look at individual skill - there is no doubt at all that the FIlipino can make it. Does it have to be a big surprise? Hell No, not because the Filipino race is a superduper dna. It is because some people are just plain brainy than the other. That's the rule of the survival of the fittest. It is not special to the FIlipino. Any person, regardless of race can achieve what the biggies have done given the right opportunity and a good mixture of talent and perseverance. That my friend is the department we'r e lacking...

The number of good people working on good foreign projects will never ever dictate our position in this race. Because sooner or later, a more cheaper workforce in some foreign land will come before us, the jobs will leave the Philippines in its sorry state and the artists will have no choice but to leave and seek refuge somewhere else.

Success of the industry will be measured, when all of those brainies who left years ago decide to comeback and practice the profession in the motherland. Success of the industry will be measured when we are all able to produce original content that will be praised, loved and imitated.

The industry is a success, when those contemplating about leaving, no longer find a reason to seek greener pastures abroad.

I do not think this will ever be possible without a change of heart. Each participant in this industry must claim that he or she is part of it, not just an observer. In the same way a businessman looks at his own pundar. And until it happens - I'll never be a happy content man.
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Post by v_wrangler on Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:57 pm

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I agree with you sir V..

and this is also the big difference between filipinos and chinesse or indians,mostly of us filipinos will dream to finish a degree in college in order to land a better job and make money while a chinesse or indian most will dream to finish his/her degree in college for him/her to pursue and be qualified for the MBA program...

Speaking about education, the focus has always been to train students so that they can be employees right away in some foreign land? Funny isn't it. But that's the way of life in the Philippines. We will always be a factory of service people unless someone, somehow breaks the chain..

In contrast to Japan, Education is somewhat focused on training one's ablities, hardwork and self-reliance. Uniqueness is a virtue. Innovation. Not that Japan became an economic giant by suwerte. They were moved by the same aspirations we have now. Same goals different styles.

Imagine if all of us find the deeper meanings of hardwork, uniqueness and self-reliance.
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Post by hernandoloto on Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:55 am

Last year I attend an exibit which organized by Animation Council of the Philippines "animahenasyon 2009", showcasing the talent of pinoy cg artist, I find it really good to see such work done by pilipino artist especially tha one with naruto adaptation of mtv. but on the lobby of cinema where there is only one both which own by an Indian animation company (i think they are located in pasig) selling thier 2d animation movies (i dont remember the title)and it was created here in manila with all pinoy artist.
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Post by bokkins on Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:02 am

v_wrangler wrote:Speaking about education, the focus has always been to train students so that they can be employees right away in some foreign land? Funny isn't it. But that's the way of life in the Philippines. We will always be a factory of service people unless someone, somehow breaks the chain..

In contrast to Japan, Education is somewhat focused on training one's ablities, hardwork and self-reliance. Uniqueness is a virtue. Innovation. Not that Japan became an economic giant by suwerte. They were moved by the same aspirations we have now. Same goals different styles.

Imagine if all of us find the deeper meanings of hardwork, uniqueness and self-reliance.

Sa UP sir V, they train us to be leaders. And I think ganun din sa iba pang state university. Yung employees of some foreign land, yan po ay dahil sa "tawag ng pangangailangan."
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Post by Galaites07 on Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:08 pm

@ sir bokkins....wala bang chance na i-feature yung mga cg-artist/visualizer/designer/architect sa site mo....especially doon sa main page...in line with home/forum/profile.

I mean pwede naman ilagay yung article sa loob ng cg discussion but i think it will be great if it is on the main selection of the site.

One problem is filipino lack publicity or media exposure para doon sa mga taong already making difference doon sa field.

Your site will be a great opportunity for them. Like lets say someone can write a detailed article about thier fellow filipino. Include me on writing one for someone I dont even know personally. And Im guessing others will do as well.

tsk tsk tsk...did you do the UP oblation run sir? cheers

@sir V- I can understand your sympathy to japan..I also work there before but not every one has the quality. Only means that there are really few who makes the difference and goverment/companies support them. Filipinos in general become diverse culture (half-blood-half blood and no blood of the real makoy) We are once a great nation remember before the collapse of the economy 70-80s. I guess we really need to work together to achieve a common a goal. I think diversity in all form is killing us all. off topic na ba?

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Post by bokkins on Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:47 pm

meron bro. we're still on developing how the content would be. pro madami na tayong nakapending na interviews. soon we will launch the artist spotlight section. medyo di pa kasi tayo gaanong showbiz, although na-feature na din tayo sa magazine sa dubai.

soon, ilalabas natin ang artist spotlight. Smile
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Post by Galaites07 on Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:52 pm

ok na ok sir.....suggest ko lang kung pwedeng sa main page sya ok na ok yun....about sa writing an article I will be willing to do it as i said....

more power sa site mo. thumbsup

di mo pa answer yung last question ko...he he.

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Post by bokkins on Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:04 pm

hindi bro. bago ako pumasok, gusto ko, kaso kailangan pumasok ka muna sa frat. di ako ng frat nung college.
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Re: Pilipino CG Artist, are we behind in this industries?

Post by max_12553 on Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:35 pm

may punto si The-hand hindi talaga lahat ng working pinoy ay ganun. Tingin ninyo kung nahuhuli tayo bakit kinukuha paring ng mga kilala sa larangan ng animation or 3d ang mga pinoy katulad natin?may ugali ang mga pinoy na matiyaga sa trabaho and madaling matuto sa kahit anung larangan ng trabaho kaya its impossible na we are behind. tama din si kat palmares thumbsup

we are competitive by skill... definitely not behind
lahat tayo may sariling pananaw sa kung ano ang nakikita natin wag lang sana natin isipin at gawing negative may skills tayo na kaya magbigay pangalan sa kanila. thumbsup thumbsup sana sabay-sabay natin isipin na sa hinaharap pangalan ng pinoy ang makikita natin na sikat sa buong mundo
lahat naman may punto eh negative lang talaga mag isip ang iba.
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