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Post by WURPWURPS on Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:30 am

mga master ask ko po kung pwede po ba tanggihan ang force overtime?

share ko lang po yung insidente sa office namin... ganito kasi yun..

may project kasi kami, office renovation, kakagaling lang sa presentation nung project last dec10 tapos kinabukasan dec11 may restday kami ng isa kong kasama si mark dahil galing kami 2 araw na paglalamay sa pagtapos ng planning to lay outing to presentation ng project kaya ang natira lang samin ay si cristine and two other guys na walang kinalaman sa project... so na atasan si christine na i revised ang plano pati layout, pero syempre hindi naman nya kagad ma-absorb yung project kaya tinutukan sya ng boss ko para dalawa na silang magplano pati maglayout... pero inabot na ng alas sais pero hindi parin final yung boss ko sa plano, kaya umabot na 10 ng gabi syaka palang nagdecide yung boss ko na umalis muna para siguro kumain, pero sabi ni christine na uuwi na sya pag alis ni boss, pero wag daw dahil "atrasado na daw sa kami sa project na yun" pero dahil di nakapaghapunan si christine at wala na rin syang pera at super delikado na dahil masyado ng late, umuwi pa rin si christine.

kinabukasan kinausap sya ng boss namin kung bakit daw sya umuwi, at binigyan sya ng last warning dahil sa ginawa nya at nagthreat ang boss ko na tatawagan ang lahat ng kakilala nya at lahat ng arch'l firm para ipa black list sya.

possible po ba ito gawin sa isang empleyado na pwersahin sa pag overtime at bantaan na pag ginawa pa ulit ito ay matatangal sya at ipapablacklist pa sa lahat ng arch'l firm? krimen ba ang pagtanggangi sa pagovertime at bakit kailangan pa ipablacklist sa ibang companya?
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Post by bokkins on Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:18 am

sa tingin ko.

1. mali ang pag-threaten sa isang empleyado na ipablacklist. isang makasariling idea ito at unethical in terms of employer-employee relationship. I think if you complain on this, may mahahanap ka sa labor code.

2. mali din ang pagtakas sa work. kahit na ang overtime ay due to the ff:
- wrong time management
- insufficient resources
- unreasonable time table

3. Kailangan tapusin ang isang trabaho whatever it takes. The result will always be the consequence of the means. as experience ko, it's always "the end justify the means." always result oriented ang mga projects, wala silang pakialam kung paano mo ginawa. not unless it's a research work na very important ang process.

ang solution ko naman ay:

1. always be responsible sa load mo. make sure na kakayanin mo at wag lang tanggap ng tanggap. know you limits.

2. always finish you job. kahit magshort cut ka, ok lang yan, basta the quality is still there.

3. do not overdo your work just to impress your boss. but always do your best in everything you do.

Yan lang muna ang masasabi ko. good luck! Smile
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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:07 pm

tama ung suggestions and feedbacks ni Sir Bokkins thumbsup

imho medyo hindi yata oks ung boss nyo bro. sa company nyo ba pag merong OT na lamayan or masyadong late na talaga eh hindi man lamang sinasagot ng boss mo ung pagkain? kawawa naman ung kasama nyo kasi hindi pa kumakain at hindi man lamang binilhan or inalok kumain sa labas or nagpadeliver na lang. or siguro kaya lumabas ung boss nyo kasi bibili lang ng kanilang makakain?

mga pwedeng gawin ng kasama nyo (christine)
1. nagpaalam na sana agad sya sa boss nyo then kung hindi sya pinayagan e ipinaliwanag nya ng wala kasi syang pera para kumain or delikado sa lugar nila ang umuwi ng late or may appointment sya that night or may curfew sya sa pag-uwi and tumawag sya sa bahay nila na OT sya at malate ng uwi.
2. una pa lang ibigay sa kanya ung project sana kinausap nya kayo kahit 10-15 mins lang para mabigyan sya ng brief history ng project in case na totally zero ung knowledge nya about it with the other two guys.
3. at ang pagkakaalam ko hindi pwersahan ang overtime. pero dyan sa atin sa pinas kasi dahil sa tayo ay magagaling sa pakikisama at employee, pag sinabi ng boss na overtime talagang overtime. lalo na kung mabait ang boss mo masarap pakisamahan. (pero magbigay ng valid reasons kung hindi mo kayang mag overtime)
4. honestly, kung ako kay christine mag resign na ko hehehe hindi dapat i threat ang employee. kung may mali bigyan ng warning or penalty base on your company rules pero ung i threaten? medyo teka muna... lol
5. hindi kaya umabot ng ganun katagal dahil sa hindi makapag decide ang boss mo kung ano ang final na layout? lol

EDIT: nabasa ko "last warning" ibig bang sabihin nito is dati ng tumakas ang kasama nyo sa overtime? kung ganun kasi e medyo magagalit nga ung boss nyo kasi insubordination na yan.

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Post by jarul on Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:37 am

oi,hnd pwede ganyan...grabe yan bos na yan...very unethical..and very unprofessionall..

meron nga akong kakilala dito,up to 2 am cla ot,grabe,,,and report again 9 am same day..eh hnd naman ganon kalaki ung salary,kung alam nyo lng...120 to 200 lang per day ung salary nila..
pro ang laki ng mga projects ng archtect na un ah...iniisip nya lng sarili nya..
pro mas ok ung architect nila kac hnd naman nag tthreat kung ayaw mg ot ng mga employees.

for christine naman, tama c boss kietsmark,mag resign ka nalng...and apply ka sa iba,,kung hnd ka tanggapin ng ibang firm sa dahilang pinablaklist ka ng mabuti mong boss,ibang usapan na yan..u hav the rights.all the rights..human rights and labor code na ang kalaban ng boss mo nyan..
pro tanong ko lang ?,,ilang beses ka na pala na warningan at ano ung mga dhilan?
sa boss mo naman,gud luck...kung ako nyan, report ko yan sa IAPOA..CGORADO,GIGSAHIN YAN!!!!!
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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:44 am

I just dont like the THREATEN THING!Really pissed me off...
Heheheheheheheheheehe...KAKATUWA BOSS MO BRO!If i were you bro its time to pack up!
BLACKLIST?? sasabihin ko sa kanya,,,GO AHEAD BOSS!Gusto mo samahan pa kita e.HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA..Joke!
Tawa lng bro....tawa lang...Ganyan talga..Madami pa nmn dyan e.Dont hesitate to look for companies.Madaming kumpanya na mababait katrabho plus madami ka pang matututunan..
Tsk tsk tsk tsk..Hindi ako naawa sa mga empleyado dyn bro sa BOSS mo ko naaawa e,..hihihihii..Para kseng sobrang desperado,,..IMHO lng bro.. thumbsup

Sorry mods and admins for these comment..Just cant help it and cant believe somebody can to this sa kapwa nya. Sad
For me lng kse kung ayaw mo na sa empleyado mo at kung sa tingin mo e sobra na why dont you just fire him.?Bakit kailangan pang i blacklist mo pa??For what??Ego?Pride? scratch

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Post by christine on Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:17 am

grabe naman yan. hindi makatarungan.. kawawa naman si katukayong christine... but sana nakapag paalam naman siya ng maayos before she left..? tungkol naman sa pwersahan na ot, kung may valid reason naman not to do so, an employer cannot force an employee to work against his or her will... and force shall not be applied when it comes to work.. so this is really wrong.. wag tayong magpapaabuso sa kahit anong aspeto.. we have all the rights and what happened to freedom?.. i agree w/ sir boks, the act of threatening is completely unethical sa work. may reason naman din siguro si bossing kung bakit siya nagalit ng ganun.. maybe sobrang pressured narin sya and unfortunately, sa employee nya naibuhos lahat ng galit nya but sana nilimitahan nya yung sarili niya at hindi na nauwi sa pag-threaten. bro wurps, at least now you know how far your boss can go.. if he has done this to christine then he can also do this to anyone.. and yeah if i were your office mate christine, magreresign nako. hindi narin naman ako magiging masaya if ma-settle man lahat w/ bossing at bumalik sa dati ang working relationship.. w/c i doubt kasi nandun na yung fear mo eh.. may trauma na.. how can you be happy.. and yung lang yung importante dun.. maging masaya ka sa trabaho mo.. imho lang din po Smile
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Post by render master on Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:53 pm

for me its a matter of communication ...lahat naman nadadaan sa usapan. if you keep silence while working with the said task, the boss might think evrything gonna be okay. kaya ganun ang naging reaction ng boss nya. just give limits to yourself next time. kung ano lang kaya mong gawin, sabihin sa boss, if not pag-usapan ang maaring maging consequences... dyan papasok ang sacrifice sa work..
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Post by torvicz on Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:33 am

"ISUMBONG MO KAY TULFO!"

I think yang ganyang situation is very common sa pinas.
Isang dekada rin akong nagtrabaho dyan sa makati e!
Kaya naranasan ko yang mga forced O.T.

Yung tanong mo dude wurps regarding sa kung pwede bang pwersahin,
I think my answer is yes and no. Yes, basically because boss mo sya at meron kayong deadlyn. No, kung may valid reason ka naman.

Normally ang O.T. is by schedule, in my experience 1 or 2 days b4 sinasabi na yan para naman mabigyan ang employee ng chance baguhin ung mga plans nila on that day incase meron man, and para di na sila gumawa
pa ng mga lakad. Sa amin noon, although walang bayad ang O.T. namin meron namang free dinner so ok narin.
Sometimes we even sleep in the office sa sobrang urgent ng presentation.
One time nung bumabaha dyan sa amin, pina book pko ng boss ko sa hotel
para lang the following day I'll be at work. hehehe
Pero ok lng naman kase kelangan talaga. Ang mahirap lang e kung me lakad ka ng mga time na yun, lalo pag sa gf mo! nakaw! hehehe away talaga yan! lol!

Yung sa threat ng boss mo.....
"WAG KA MANIWALA DUN!!!" malaking kalokohan yun!
walang sinuman ang may karapatan at kapangyarihang gumawa nyan!
marami nang gumamit nyang mga panakot na yan....di naman totoo yan...
kami nga sa contract namin noon, magbabayad ka ng 100k pesos pag nagresign ka ng biglaan...wala namang nakasuhan ng dahil dyan...

kay Christine naman....
di naman tamang tumakas, all the time! maling mali dude e...
kahit ako ung boss mo magagalit talaga ako.
natural lng na kung minsan talagang matagal ang desisyon sa pagpaplano...pinag iisipan kase yan e. kung cguro nakausap nya ng maayos ung boss nya baka pinakain sya, or baka nga lumabas un para bumili ng pagkain,ani dude keits. pwede rin yun...

Tandaan nyo na may mga boss din ang mga boss nyo..heheh
na pepressure din yan. palagay ko tamang communication lang naman ika nga ni dude ronel, usap lang...At wag nalng uminit ang ulo pag may O.T.
kasama talaga sa trabaho yan e...hehe

Tandaan nyo na ang tunay na boss natin ay ung mga project natin...
yan ung nag gegenerate ng pera pangsweldo satin...so the more project
we have the better..mas maganda ng may O.T. ibig sabihin may projects..
heheh...pero wag naman patayan, iba na yun.

So, next time may threat nanaman boss mo, ibigay mo cellphone mo at patawagin mo na sa lahat ng kilala nyang firm...malamang mga dalawang tawag lang yan! hahahaha
tapos abot mo resignation letter mo, tapos!
Ang dami pa dyan magagandang firm dude!
Maniwala ka sakin, matagal din akong naniwala na ung ofis ko noon na ang pinakamaganda at malaking magpasahod...it turned out barya lng pala! hehehe
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Post by ronski_g on Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:22 am

torvicz wrote:"ISUMBONG MO KAY TULFO!"

Yung sa threat ng boss mo.....
"WAG KA MANIWALA DUN!!!" malaking kalokohan yun!
walang sinuman ang may karapatan at kapangyarihang gumawa nyan!
marami nang gumamit nyang mga panakot na yan....di naman totoo yan...

I 101% agree!! And I also agree in everyone's responses. Pwede ba yung ganun?? Isang araw lang magagawa na agad ang scheme2?? Tapos puro pa alanganin..... Ano ba pangalan ng kumpanyang yan ha wurdups.... Tsk tsk tsk.
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Post by eLEMMEnTO on Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:40 pm

ang lupit naman ng bossing mo wurf... ipapablacklist talaga.. wawa naman kayo.. resign na kayo.. im sure marami pa kayong mahahanap na magandang company dyan.. peace man
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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:53 pm

isa lang masasabi ko sa ganyang sitwasyon magresign na lang sya hanap uli ng new work pag ganyang boss ang kasama mo masisira lang loob mo magwork ng maayus' isumbong mo sa DOLE baka mamaya me pagkakataon pa na matrauma ung empleyado dahil sa threat na pangblacklist ng boss mo baka mawalan ng gana magwork nakows alis kana dyan dami mo pa mahahanap sa iba na mas ok.

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Post by Chx on Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:18 pm

hahaha..nangyari din sakin yang ganyang "threat" nung programmer pa ako sa lugar namin..

cno ba yang boss mo sir? walang cnuman ang may kakayanang gawin yan..
i think so..pwede ata ireklamo yan e.
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Post by jaycobvargas on Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:12 am

sa akin it depends upon sa tao yun pero kung importante naman pwede kana magtiyaga sa ot kasi its ur part to show ur concern sa company na pinapasukan mo, at kung hindi naman importante or gusto lang ng boss mo na idiplay ka after ofis hour eh pwede na sbihin NO! hehehe
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Post by WURPWURPS on Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:22 am

to all masters;

unang una maraming salamat sa mga advice na binigay nyo, yung boss naman namin mabait naman sa mabait, pero minsan talagang wala sa hulog, minsan nagugulat nalang kami sa mga patakaran nya, maraming weird na patakaran sa opisina namin, e.g. kung gusto mo magkape magdala ka ng termos pero yung mainit na tubig dapat sa bahay ipakulo. hehehe, ok lang sa akin yun, at ang project na dapat at least may isang buwan ginagawa eh pinapaikli ng 4 na araw, kaya patayan kami para lang mapaimpress nya ang client, pero sakin ok lang ulit yun kasi nga naman bayad naman yun, (kaya lang wala talagang alang pakain, pera nalang kung kapalan muka at sabihan ang boss na bumili naman ng makakain), ang kinagalit ko lang kasi eh nirush na namin ng 2 araw na walang tulugan at uwian yung pagplano at pag ayos ng presentation ng project(na dapat 4 days ginagawa as per company's SOP) e dapat man lang sana nagbigay ng magandang sched.

P.S.
dahil sa mga payu nyo naliwanagan si CHRISTINE at balak ng magresign by next month!... yun pupunta na sa abroad at dun nalang magtatrabaho... huhuhu
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:24 am

bro wurpwurps sumunod ka na kay christine... wala sa ayos yang company nyo... akalain mo magdala ng thermos kung gusto mong magkape? lol sabi nga... kung sa simpleng bagay eh mahirap kausap yang boss nyo aba e lalo na siguro pag sa malakihan na.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:39 pm

Well, mahirap magsalita dahil hindi ko rin alam kung ano ang iniisip o reasons ng employers ninyo - but just in case, if christine and you are really good and wala na kayong commitments , you can try applying at Enising. We have a thread about the opportunities there.

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Post by pakunat on Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:28 pm

ayan apply na. kau kay master suabeng v_wrangler. pero kung sa abroad kau work. i can't assure you na walang forced o.t. kagaya sa opis namin. mga impossibleng deadlines. tpos na tsaka lang rereviewhin ng mga directors and boss. minsan 3 hours before ng presentation eh binabago pa. mahirap yan pag tumakas ka eh baka forced uwi ka ng pinas naman mangyari. be ready at all times. and be prepared kung ano mangyayari. responsible ka sa lahat ng action mo dito sa abroad. you can say no, i can't, its impossible pero pag ang boss ang nagsabi ika nga ng mga ibang pinoy dito baliktad ang mundo. kaya ito paresign na ako. buti naman. looking forward sa bago kong company. paalala lang. wag masyado magpakitang gilas o kayay kahit wala sa workscope eh ginagawa mo kasi pagdating ng panahon un na ang trabaho mo. un lang. mdrama pero true.
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:15 pm

You know guys its OK to say No, but then again - try to explain how it can be a YES.

I don't know if its a motivation thing - but some bosses are stupid enough not to know how to make the impossible possible.

Try to educate your bosses. Don't say a flat NO. Say - it can be done at the expense of so and so. Explain what you might need to achieve what he wants - if its time -tell him it can be done but hes got to give you time. Don't just say you need time - Say how much. Give him the information he'd need to make a decision.

There'S a big difference is plainly saying, its impossible than working with him to make it possible.

We have a saying here, "Dekiru you ni, ganbarou!" translates to - So that it can be done, let's work it out and do our best!

If you and your boss have the same motivation and gearing for the same directions - OT's or working the extra mile will come like chicken feed.

Of course - if OTs can be avoided without causing trouble to anyone - go for it. I know I am guilty for making my people work longer than expected - but I know they understand, we want to raise the bar. I guess I am lucky to have good employees. Well luck maybe not for everyone.

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Post by eLEMMEnTO on Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:33 pm

sir V... idolo ka talaga! dami kong natutunan halimbawa sa inyo.. pwede ba kitang maging BOSS V??? hehehe Very Happy
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Post by cloud20 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:38 pm

v_wrangler wrote:You know guys its OK to say No, but then again - try to explain how it can be a YES.

I don't know if its a motivation thing - but some bosses are stupid enough not to know how to make the impossible possible.

Try to educate your bosses. Don't say a flat NO. Say - it can be done at the expense of so and so. Explain what you might need to achieve what he wants - if its time -tell him it can be done but hes got to give you time. Don't just say you need time - Say how much. Give him the information he'd need to make a decision.

There'S a big difference is plainly saying, its impossible than working with him to make it possible.

We have a saying here, "Dekiru you ni, ganbarou!" translates to - So that it can be done, let's work it out and do our best!

If you and your boss have the same motivation and gearing for the same directions - OT's or working the extra mile will come like chicken feed.

Of course - if OTs can be avoided without causing trouble to anyone - go for it. I know I am guilty for making my people work longer than expected - but I know they understand, we want to raise the bar. I guess I am lucky to have good employees. Well luck maybe not for everyone.

---and soon you're going to be my boss... (fingers crossed)... Twisted Evil
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:51 pm

Mga sipsep! Very Happy

Biro lang. Seriously, ika nga ni ate menchie. Its liking what you do. Sa ating mundo marami pong imposible - pero pag sumuko tayo dun - what good does it bring us in the future? Para yang panandaliang aliw - Lets work it out para tuloytuloy siya.

As for employment. Talk to Cray - ang hinahanap po namin ay potential. I don't care what youve been doing in the past. Kung parepareho po tayo ng vector - mararating natin ang imposible. Although kailangan din natin ang skill rightaway para makasali na agad kayo sa aming mga laro.

Salamat sa pakikinig. Very Happy

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Post by pakunat on Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:20 pm

v_wrangler wrote:Mga sipsep! Very Happy

Biro lang. Seriously, ika nga ni ate menchie. Its liking what you do. Sa ating mundo marami pong imposible - pero pag sumuko tayo dun - what good does it bring us in the future? Para yang panandaliang aliw - Lets work it out para tuloytuloy siya.

As for employment. Talk to Cray - ang hinahanap po namin ay potential. I don't care what youve been doing in the past. Kung parepareho po tayo ng vector - mararating natin ang imposible. Although kailangan din natin ang skill rightaway para makasali na agad kayo sa aming mga laro.

Salamat sa pakikinig. Very Happy

ako rin sir pede jan?
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Post by WURPWURPS on Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:12 pm

wow pwede po ba malipat ako sa comp nyo sir?
but as of now, masaya pa naman ako sa company namin, yoko pa umalis ng bansa, kailangan may patunayan muna ko rito sa pilipinas bago ko ipamalas sa ibayong dagat! Smile

tama rin yung sinabi i master pakunat, trabaho ka lang sa scope mo, wag masyado ma epal sa ibang gawain! masama ang masyadong mag paimpress sa boss, dahil minsan di na nila iniisip ang limits natin pagnasanay!

kahapon lang na naisip ko na swerte pa pala kami dahil sa work ng isa kong barkada mas nakaka trauma, wala na nga bayad sa ot under minimum wage pa, pero atleast completo ng amenities, like sleeping quarter, pantry, kitchen, TV!

thanks master sa mga advice! love you'll hhehe!
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Re: employees right about ot?

Post by jaycobvargas on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:18 am

saying No! is not a crime, but if u r concern to ur company u do the impossible thing kahit labag sa loob mo, but remember that logic above all and understanding define everything Smile yun lang po! mga sir
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Re: employees right about ot?

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:28 am

jaycobvargas wrote:saying No! is not a crime, but if u r concern to ur company u do the impossible thing kahit labag sa loob mo, but remember that logic above all and understanding define everything Smile yun lang po! mga sir

i agree bro. pero ang pagiging concern sa isang company ay nangyayari lamang kung tayo ay well compensated at inaalagaan ng mabuti ng ating pinagseserbisyuhan. Good service requires good compensation, good compensation requires good service. Pag naghiwalay yan asahan mo maaapektuhan ang work mo lalo na kung ang nangyayari sa pinagpapaguran ay "working for nothing" meaning wala ka ng na-iipon... just my opinion lang naman. peace man

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