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Post by JVT_Ltd on Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:16 am

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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by nomeradona on Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:45 am

Ilagay na natin

1.) as much as possible limit ur polycount to minimum.the more poly the slower the rendering.
2.) if ur using vray, always proxy the ones with high polycount.
3.) don’t put too much subdivisions on your shadows (as much as possible).
4.) remove unwanted object on your scene
5.) dont use so giant/ultra/high texture if your rendering small outputtry to proportion both.
6.) material wise: avoid using too much glossiness and highlights, a simple diffuse, bump and reflection(with .95 – .75) will do.. try not to use archshaders..
7.) use high polys object only when the object is very near to the view or camera
8.) for exterior: standard directlight(as ur sun) and vray environment light is much more faster to render compared to vraysun and sky.. u just need to tweak the colors to achieved the sun&sky effect..
9.) know the difference between copy and instance.. simple but effective
10.) purge undo window, specially commands on the list that eat up memory..
11.) this i part of my resource management, i always shutoff my antivirus while rendering (or dont install at all), specially anti-virus like norton and mcafee (which sucks bigtime) this are memory hog application, same as old Nero updates, always check taskbar once a while, even screensaver and windows eyecandy specially in vista, i turn them off back to basic.
12.) use map efficiently, instead of modelling small details, in par with [#7.]
13.) use xref scene (but not sure duh, havent tried it yet)
14.) use polygon friendly 3dsmax plugins such as mootools’ polycruncher, best of all its free tongue
15.) be wary of iteration levels when making curves/meshsmoothing
16.) when using irradiance map, check interpolation, par it with reflection and refraction interpolation on the submenu.. (match it with IR min/max rate with interpolation min/max rate)
17.) caustics are time killer
18.) first pass, brute force vs. irradiance map, (case to case basis)
19.) hardcore noisethreshold and AA subdivision rate, (case to case basis)
20.) be wary of glossy reflection and frosted materials..(case to case basis)
21.) instead of using dof in physical cam, Photoshop can do the trick with an ease with zbuffer channel or plugins like Alien Skin’s DoF and DoF Generator PRO by Richard Rosenman.
22.) post process can short the rendering workflow, proffesional composition programs like Autodesk’s Combustion and the likes.. just know variations in renderchannels in vray render elements (F10).
23.) Evermotion Archshaders and Archinterior/Exterior Materials are on overkill settings, dont be lazy to edited it once a while, dont just copy and salvage someone’s craft as it is.
24.) Irradiance and Light Cache (save to file), skip the computation when using the same sets and scene over and over again.
25.) balance with the resolution output and irradiance map settings.
26. before u place all the shaders. try to override first the materials in the rendering parameters(global switches.).to make sure all polygons are modelled correctly for test rendering so that you would knw the types of shaders u placed individually and u can trace easily which materials could possibly caused the rendering longer.
27).too many lights can also coz the overkill of the rendering.
28). use alwayz the default parameters for fast test renders..
29).For me i prefer ADAPTIVE QMC rather than Adaptive Subdivision…
30).Check your Raycast Parameters too..Like render region division,region sequence etc..
31)If ure using vray displacement mode,try to limit the area if 2d mapping ang setup for it eats a lot of ram.
32) Use 64bit Max
33) The use of X-refs is invaluable–primarily due to their ability to link large sections of scenery together and provide a means to keep your master scene to ballooning to an unwieldy size.
34) Attach those objects – 3ds Max is much more efficient working with 9000 10k polygon objects than 200,000 1k polygon objects. Attaching all the components that are not being individually animated adds a significant amount of speed and flexibility to the scene you’re working on.
35) Geometry Proxies – Ah yes, my new favorite tool! A geometry proxy is an optimized piece of geometry that is designed to load and render much more efficiently in specific render engines such as Mental Ray & Vray.
36) Bitmap Proxies – Bitmap proxies are a great way to minimize the amount of RAM that you are expending on a scene.
37) Centralize your data – Centralizing your data adds a level of organization to any project.
38) Work Locally and Incremental Saves – Why you ask? Well, as you save to the network share, you can run into some traffic issues which can on occasion cause crashing and corrupted documents
39) Layers, Groups and Selection Sets – Any organized 3ds Max user has used these at one time or another, though some more than others.
40) Maxscripting – it can bring repetitive and laborious tasks to heal. This has saved me countless of production hours and has allowed us to tackle projects that would be impossible with the stock tools in 3ds Max.
41) learn Photoshop and other compositing softwares (AE, Combustion). you will save hell a lot of render times.
42) understand photography. train your eyes. its good to have a vision of what you want to achieve before you start with your rendering workflow. for example, you’ll know when to cancel a render process (region render) rightaway soon as you spot something wrong on your buffer rather than waiting for the whole scene to finish then realizing something’s wrong (so much time wasted already) and you have to re-render again. trained eyes helps to influence clients and manage them to understand your vision.
43. Bitmaps – these tend to take up large amounts of RAM, especially if the maps are large. Since textures are managed by 3dsmax, VRay has no direct control over their memory usage. However, you can use the Bitmap pager settings of 3dsmax to reduce the RAM taken up by bitmaps. Turn on and adjust the bitmap pagers into a higher amount, this will address your computer to process the memory in using bitmaps. This is especially useful in rendering large image.
44. You might want to check the multi-threading option if you are using a dual processor.
45. Use Low resolution for rendering tests.
46. Use Rendering Region: render only what interests you. Time to time check your shaders, verify the little differences.. and quickly find the result you’re looking for.
47. Do not add Glossy effects. Add it just when you think that the scene works fine.
48. Geometry – scenes with lots of objects and/or triangle counts require more memory to render. There are several ways to reduce this amount: -Adjust the raycaster settings in the System rollout (reduce Max. levels, increase Min. leaf size, increase Face/level coefficient, switch from Static to Dynamic Default Geometry).
49. Displacement mapping – objects displaced with the 2d displacement mapping method may require a lot of RAM to render, especially with large displacement maps. If this is the case, use the 3d displacement mapping method. Also, if you have several distinct displacement modifiers with the same displacement map, it is better to replace them with one modifier, applied to all the necessary objects. This is because each modifier will take RAM for the displacement map, separately from other modifiers, even if they have the same map.
50. Bitmap filtering – Summed area filtering uses much more memory than Pyramidal filtering. Use summed-area filtering only for smaller bitmaps
51. Shadow maps – these may also take up significant amounts of RAM. Again, these are managed by 3dsmax and VRay has no direct control over their memory usage. To reduce memory usage, you can switch to raytraced VRayShadows instead.
52. Image buffer – large output resolutions require a significant amount of RAM to store the final image. Additional G-Buffer channels increase that amount. There are several ways to reduce this amount: -Use the 3dsmax Bitmap pager, if you are rendering to the 3dsmax default VFB. -If you use VRay’s own VFB, use the Render to VRay raw image file option and then use the VRay raw image file viewer to convert the resulting file to a different format.
53. Image samplers (AA) – the image sampling algorithms of VRay require some amount of RAM to hold all the data for the sampled image. This amount can be quite large, depending on the chosen bucket size and sampling rate. To reduce that amount: -Reduce the bucket size. -Switch to a different image sampler – for example, the Adaptive QMC sampler uses less RAM than the Adaptive subdivision sampler.
54. Global illumination caches – irradiance maps, photon maps and light maps all require additional memory to store them. Each of these has different methods for controlling its memory usage: -For the irradiance map – the memory depends on the number of samples in the map; you can reduce this number by using lower Min/Max rate, and more loose threshold values (higher Color threshold, higher Normal threshold, lower Distance threshold). -For the photon map – the memory depends on the number of photons stored. You can reduce this number by reducing the Diffuse subdivs for the lights, or by increasing the Max. density.
55. If not necessary, adjust your trace depth contols to a lower amount.
56. Even though you select the VRAY VFB as your output, the 3dmax VFB is stil created and thus taking additional memory. If you want to reduce that memory. you need to uncheck the “GET RESULOTION FROM MAX” option. Set the 3dmax resolution to lower value like 100 x 100, and then select your real output resolution in the VRAY VFB option
57. inspect your scene -was there are lots of unused polys, was there are lot of models that only clatters the scene but are not viewable on camera, was there are lots of unused materials on the editor….
meaning, sometimes we think that our render setup is hampering the rendertime, but if we just inspect our scene, the things mention above are factors that affects.
58. another one. sometimes our model in autocad was located far from the axis origin, this happens most of the time. then once we link it up to our rendering program, we just let them as it is. This also prolong the rendertime when executed. Bring it back in 0,0 axis position while still in autocad.
59. Overlapping of Models and meshes. – a scene with much of these will take longer time to render. You need to tweak your setting into higher so as to cover up those splotches.
60. Rendering Large Image – rendering a large output image takes longer time when rendered as a whole. Use alternatives, like split rendering, or some render plugins like Super Render – wherein the scene will be subdivided into bucket window then automatically combining them after the last bucket.
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by rain on Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:48 am

wow dame pung kailangan i note....salamat po sa pag shaire laking tulong po nito samen
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by LOOKER on Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:47 am

nosebleed ako sa tips... heheehe
ty mga sir, keep posting

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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by marjun on Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:06 am

thank you for the tips sir.. Very Happy
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by eric john napallatan on Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:19 am

thanks sir
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by JVT_Ltd on Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:32 am

welcome mga bro...

@nomeradona: thanks sir for re-posting...


cheers... Smile
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by payks_2007 on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:40 am

Thanks po!
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by glesdey on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:15 pm

thank you for sharing masters..i learned a lot..
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by mokong on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:05 am

Add ko lang.. this one is imporant for beginners..

61. Use default Global Subdivision Multiplier, 1.0....setting it higher thant 1.0 will multiply all your material subdivision present in the scene, it will render slow..Further, if you're using Evermotion models, which we all know it has high subdivision value then it will eat up more render time. To optimize the render time, manually set the subdivision value of each material. For objects far away from the camera you set it to a low value and for the nearer set it to high.


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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by nazzerlicyayo on Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:36 pm

thanks po ulit mga master...unti unti na po akong natuto sa inyo!!!!=)
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by ewat099 on Thu May 31, 2012 2:27 am

Little help po. I already made an animation don sa 3ds max work ko. and not really intended for animation, medyo to much details. so medyo heavy un file. then i tried to render when my boss asked me to. pero its taking too much time for just 1 frame. i could imagine kung kompletuhin ko pa. so, is there a way to render my work khit low quality avi lang. what setup should i use. sensya npo, medyo bago lang me s 3ds max. thanks
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by Neil Joshua Rosario on Thu May 31, 2012 3:23 am

ewat099 wrote:Little help po. I already made an animation don sa 3ds max work ko. and not really intended for animation, medyo to much details. so medyo heavy un file. then i tried to render when my boss asked me to. pero its taking too much time for just 1 frame. i could imagine kung kompletuhin ko pa. so, is there a way to render my work khit low quality avi lang. what setup should i use. sensya npo, medyo bago lang me s 3ds max. thanks

try lumion this faster than max incomes in animation
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by Norman on Thu May 31, 2012 4:26 am

ewat099 wrote:Little help po. I already made an animation don sa 3ds max work ko. and not really intended for animation, medyo to much details. so medyo heavy un file. then i tried to render when my boss asked me to. pero its taking too much time for just 1 frame. i could imagine kung kompletuhin ko pa. so, is there a way to render my work khit low quality avi lang. what setup should i use. sensya npo, medyo bago lang me s 3ds max. thanks

bro ito tips.

1. sa vray tab use image sample then anti aliasing gawin mong AREA lang
- no need to render crisp and sharp image like using mitchell or catmull. kasi nga animation sya. this will cut your rendering time

2. Indirect illumination(GI) kahit yung primary engine mo lang irradiance map. off mo lang yung secondary bounce.

3. babaan mo yung mga subdivision mo each materials. default 8 lang kung small size lang gagawin mo animation.

4. kung kaya mong walang environment wag ka maglagay.

5. kung may frosted glass ka na kailangan, instead na babaan mo yung glossiness level nya sa refraction sa material dont do it. instead, gumawa ka ng another plane object sa loob ng glass object mo tapos standard material lang apply mo. gawin mong white then 100% mo yung self illumination, tapos babaan mo yung % opacity. pag render mo mukhang frosted glass sya. pag may bump ka kasi sa scene specially sa glass mas matagal ang render per scene.

6. sa lahat ng glass object mo, right click>object properties>render control, turn off mo yung receive shadow and cast shadow. you know why.

7. then save mo yung IR map mo follow this
- http://www.cgpinoy.org/t11061-how-to-save-v-ray-light-cache-and-irradiance-map?highlight=light+cache

Follow this setup for basic animation for vray
- http://vray.us/vray_tutorials/vray_tutorial_irradiance_map2.shtml

8. optional tip, save another file. tapos explode mo lahat ng object mo sa scene. merge mo lahat ng same material like glass, material with same fabric map, etc.
- babasahin ng max yung lahat ng object mo into 1 entity sinces isang material sya compare naman kung marami kang groups pero using 1 material naman. babasin nya isa isa yun.

9. lastly, dont save it to direct avi. file. better by image type format saka mo compose sa After effects or any PP software saka ka mag apply dun ng sharpness.

Happy rendering!!!!
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by ninopiamonte on Thu May 31, 2012 5:05 am

JVT_Ltd wrote:Hi mga kaCGP... hopefully makatulong sa inyo...

http://www.3dknow.com/vray-tutorials/60-tips-and-tricks-on-how-to-speed-up-rendering.html

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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by ewat099 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:30 am

salamat po s lahat.
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by JVT_Ltd on Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:59 am

ninopiamonte wrote:
JVT_Ltd wrote:Hi mga kaCGP... hopefully makatulong sa inyo...

http://www.3dknow.com/vray-tutorials/60-tips-and-tricks-on-how-to-speed-up-rendering.html

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Read mo na lang yun repost ni sir nomer... 2thumbsup
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by DESIÑO on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:34 am

salamat master.........
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Re: Ways to speed up your Vray rendering

Post by Psiloman3 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:15 am

Salamat sa mga techniques to speed up vray rendering.
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