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Post by pipicosis on Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:03 pm

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No start na po ng thesis namin, and wala pa po akong concrete proposal dahil po bawal po kami magkapare-pareho ng proposals.

-So ang focus ko po ay sa agriculture.

-problem: iilan nalang po ang kabataang nag-aaral ng agriculture, at wala na pong gustong maging farmer. which is i think bad for an agriculture country like Philippines (Actually, even in other countries like japan). nagiging tingin po kasi ng kabataan sa Farming ay dirty job. iniisip nila na old school ito at pawang matatanda nalang ang nagsasaka.

-solution: gusto ko po sanang pagandahin ang pangalan ng Agriculture dito sa bansa,(or sa mundo). like make it entertaining, or more like up to date, by including latest technology and design to make farming easy. kung kakulangan sa area for farming, dito na po papasok ang vertical farming (but not highrise).
Or kahit po maipakita sa mga kabataan kung ano ang halaga ng agriculture, o ng farming, at mabago ang mentality nila. considering the word "EDUTAINMENT"



-problema ko po: what will be my proposal?
a School?
a midrise housing for relocation with farming area?
a techno-agriculture facility?
a zoo for Plants?...terrarium?...theme park for agriculture? (includes ecotourism)
or any suggestions?

considering the availability of data, and my time, what would you prefer po?
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by xtianatix on Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:38 am

look at this sir. this is an entry of my prof and classmates in UP for the FuturArc 2011 competition. You can explore more on this.
http://www.futurarc.com/prize_winners/2011_professional/FAP_Prof_Winner/2nd.cfm

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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:04 am

mammoo_03 wrote:i suggest to lessen the purpose of training rooms rather, some eco tourism concept, para may ROI ang facility mo. at the end of the day, your facility should sustain operation cost, etc...godbless and focus lang.


salamat po sir, sa site naman po ay may 2 options ako, isang strategically located at the boarder of metro manila, (an urbanizing town) at isa deep inside rizal province where wide agricultural land lies, both with fairly large no. of farmers living...and i guess kung magkakaroon po ako ng agri-tourism ay doon po malo-locate sa option no 2, which is somehow far from national roads. pero malaking bagay nga po itong tourism kung ii-include ko po, i'll figure something out po about dito...salamat po sir bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:08 am

xtianatix wrote:look at this sir. this is an entry of my prof and classmates in UP for the FuturArc 2011 competition. You can explore more on this.
http://www.futurarc.com/prize_winners/2011_professional/FAP_Prof_Winner/2nd.cfm

sir salamat po ng madami!! these ideas clear my mind about my housing idea! i think its the term "condominium" ay dapat "tenement" somewhat hypothetical pero feasible! nakakatuwa! back on my work po salamat po talaga sir xtianatix !! bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:44 am

xtianatix wrote:look at this sir. this is an entry of my prof and classmates in UP for the FuturArc 2011 competition. You can explore more on this.
http://www.futurarc.com/prize_winners/2011_professional/FAP_Prof_Winner/2nd.cfm

this inspires me a lot po...ideas of pinoy designers are really excellent...sana talaga maging competitive mga future architects sa mga magz like this or internationally... bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by jamesalbert on Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:14 am

pipicosis wrote:
mammoo_03 wrote:i suggest to lessen the purpose of training rooms rather, some eco tourism concept, para may ROI ang facility mo. at the end of the day, your facility should sustain operation cost, etc...godbless and focus lang.


salamat po sir, sa site naman po ay may 2 options ako, isang strategically located at the boarder of metro manila, (an urbanizing town) at isa deep inside rizal province where wide agricultural land lies, both with fairly large no. of farmers living...and i guess kung magkakaroon po ako ng agri-tourism ay doon po malo-locate sa option no 2, which is somehow far from national roads. pero malaking bagay nga po itong tourism kung ii-include ko po, i'll figure something out po about dito...salamat po sir bounce


Sir if mag-agritourism ka may guidelines po yan sa d.o.t hehehe thesis ko kasi ay about diyan pero di ko naituloy dahil kulang sa pera hope sa 2nd sem makabalik ako. Ayan lang ang mga guidelines ng agritourism na natatandaan ko Laughing :

* 30 minutes time travel from a national road
* 25 km raduis from major tourist attractions
* close to main gateways (airport and seaports)
* good basic services (roads, communications (internet, telephone lines, electricity), water (NAWASA or Manila water)

Ayan lang naalala ko sana matapos mo yan hehehe
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by xtianatix on Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:14 pm

pipicosis wrote:
xtianatix wrote:look at this sir. this is an entry of my prof and classmates in UP for the FuturArc 2011 competition. You can explore more on this.
http://www.futurarc.com/prize_winners/2011_professional/FAP_Prof_Winner/2nd.cfm

this inspires me a lot po...ideas of pinoy designers are really excellent...sana talaga maging competitive mga future architects sa mga magz like this or internationally... bounce

madami ka pa makukuhang ideas sa FUTURARC. search ka lang bro.
I just want to remind you that your THESIS is NOT the "building type" it is "the proposition of advancement" for a certain building type. kahit ano pa yun.

And in the end, your design must prove your research.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:33 pm

xtianatix wrote:
pipicosis wrote:
xtianatix wrote:look at this sir. this is an entry of my prof and classmates in UP for the FuturArc 2011 competition. You can explore more on this.
http://www.futurarc.com/prize_winners/2011_professional/FAP_Prof_Winner/2nd.cfm

this inspires me a lot po...ideas of pinoy designers are really excellent...sana talaga maging competitive mga future architects sa mga magz like this or internationally... bounce

madami ka pa makukuhang ideas sa FUTURARC. search ka lang bro.
I just want to remind you that your THESIS is NOT the "building type" it is "the proposition of advancement" for a certain building type. kahit ano pa yun.

And in the end, your design must prove your research.


yup sir, i have no problem generating new ideas and innovations, ang problema ko po ay bago ako umusad doon, ang problema ko po ay kailangan ma-meet ko po iyong tamang problem at architectural solution, hangga't hindi pa po ako naaaprove ng prof...stack po ako dito. yet again dahil po dito sa inspiration na binigay mo po, i definitely go for it! thanks po agian, bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:38 pm

jamesalbert wrote:
pipicosis wrote:
mammoo_03 wrote:i suggest to lessen the purpose of training rooms rather, some eco tourism concept, para may ROI ang facility mo. at the end of the day, your facility should sustain operation cost, etc...godbless and focus lang.


salamat po sir, sa site naman po ay may 2 options ako, isang strategically located at the boarder of metro manila, (an urbanizing town) at isa deep inside rizal province where wide agricultural land lies, both with fairly large no. of farmers living...and i guess kung magkakaroon po ako ng agri-tourism ay doon po malo-locate sa option no 2, which is somehow far from national roads. pero malaking bagay nga po itong tourism kung ii-include ko po, i'll figure something out po about dito...salamat po sir bounce


Sir if mag-agritourism ka may guidelines po yan sa d.o.t hehehe thesis ko kasi ay about diyan pero di ko naituloy dahil kulang sa pera hope sa 2nd sem makabalik ako. Ayan lang ang mga guidelines ng agritourism na natatandaan ko Laughing :

* 30 minutes time travel from a national road
* 25 km raduis from major tourist attractions
* close to main gateways (airport and seaports)
* good basic services (roads, communications (internet, telephone lines, electricity), water (NAWASA or Manila water)

Ayan lang naalala ko sana matapos mo yan hehehe

ayun sir, salamat po. pasok naman po lahat dyan po sa criteria na yan iyong dalawang site ko po, although about sa airport, proposal palang po ang airport na malapit sa site ko po, noong galing po ako ng DOT kasi about Rizal tourist development po iyong info na kinuha ko, pero malapit lang naman po sa school kaya babalik po ulit ako...BTW hope you can get back po...Godbless po satin thanks a lot po! bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by silvercrown on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:21 pm

Kindly post a layout of your proposal, title, concept, the scope, objective, etc. list it down and we'll deal with the solution later...
So far you're ideas/ proposal are as vague as nothing... you've been jumping all around and i think it's unfair for the people who's trying to help when there's nothing's definite... i understand that your on the early stage, but you should have the VISION already... if you don't have that, then we're just blindingly walking on a path of "come what may?"...
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by jamesalbert on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:54 pm

pipicosis wrote:
jamesalbert wrote:
pipicosis wrote:
mammoo_03 wrote:i suggest to lessen the purpose of training rooms rather, some eco tourism concept, para may ROI ang facility mo. at the end of the day, your facility should sustain operation cost, etc...godbless and focus lang.


salamat po sir, sa site naman po ay may 2 options ako, isang strategically located at the boarder of metro manila, (an urbanizing town) at isa deep inside rizal province where wide agricultural land lies, both with fairly large no. of farmers living...and i guess kung magkakaroon po ako ng agri-tourism ay doon po malo-locate sa option no 2, which is somehow far from national roads. pero malaking bagay nga po itong tourism kung ii-include ko po, i'll figure something out po about dito...salamat po sir bounce


Sir if mag-agritourism ka may guidelines po yan sa d.o.t hehehe thesis ko kasi ay about diyan pero di ko naituloy dahil kulang sa pera hope sa 2nd sem makabalik ako. Ayan lang ang mga guidelines ng agritourism na natatandaan ko Laughing :

* 30 minutes time travel from a national road
* 25 km raduis from major tourist attractions
* close to main gateways (airport and seaports)
* good basic services (roads, communications (internet, telephone lines, electricity), water (NAWASA or Manila water)

Ayan lang naalala ko sana matapos mo yan hehehe

ayun sir, salamat po. pasok naman po lahat dyan po sa criteria na yan iyong dalawang site ko po, although about sa airport, proposal palang po ang airport na malapit sa site ko po, noong galing po ako ng DOT kasi about Rizal tourist development po iyong info na kinuha ko, pero malapit lang naman po sa school kaya babalik po ulit ako...BTW hope you can get back po...Godbless po satin thanks a lot po! bounce

Madami pang guidelines yan ahh pumunta ka ng D.O.T. Library dun mo mahahanap lahat ng guidelines. Isa pa pala:
* Must be a working farm. (Dapat present situation niya ay farm)
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:13 pm

silvercrown wrote:Kindly post a layout of your proposal, title, concept, the scope, objective, etc. list it down and we'll deal with the solution later...
So far you're ideas/ proposal are as vague as nothing... you've been jumping all around and i think it's unfair for the people who's trying to help when there's nothing's definite... i understand that your on the early stage, but you should have the VISION already... if you don't have that, then we're just blindingly walking on a path of "come what may?"...

i' sorry sir, its just that I want to present it as concrete as possible...opo sakin hindi po talaga malinaw kung saan ako talaga mag focus kaya hindi ko mapresent ng maayos po sa inyo, its because of the data and information i've got from the agencies kaya nag va-varry po ang proposal ko, dadag-dagan pa po ng discrimination (constructive) from my professor... sorry po pero i'm working po talaga to produce a concrete and solid proposal...thanks po sir. your reply means a lot for me. salamat po talaga and sorry bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:21 am

Rizal province face rampant and indiscriminate land reclassification and conversion to residential and commercial land uses which greatly reduce the total agricultural area. primary reason is in-migration from other provinces for employment and business opportunities.

as of 2007, Rizal has 954 subdivisions and still exhibiting fast growth resulting in conversion of agricultural land

Rizal development aims to provide adequate services for the people to develop an integrated urban and rural settlement with a balance growth.

development is recommended to balance development among housing, commerce, agriculture and tourism, ADDITIONAL POPULATION SHOULD BE TRANSLATED TO MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN AGRICULTURE, TRADING, REAL ESTATE AND OTHER SERVICES.

increasing the density of buildings per land surface area or increasing the occupancy rate of existing multi-storey structures is a must.


PROPOSAL:
housing, tenement (a low cost substandard multi-family dwelling)
-as a solution for rapid growing demand for housing.
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greenhouse, pocket farms (vertical layout)
-to help achieve agricultural development (encouraging tenants) to support the province's food requirements complementing the future expected growth of population.
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agricultural training rooms and workshops
-handled by ATI (agricultural training institute) for region-IV A, (a TESDA for agriculture) is currently needing facilities to hold their free events about agricultural technology.

somehow this my primary draft about the problem. C&C pls bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by silvercrown on Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:40 am

pipicosis wrote:Rizal province face rampant and indiscriminate land reclassification and conversion to residential and commercial land uses which greatly reduce the total agricultural area. primary reason is in-migration from other provinces for employment and business opportunities.
when you describe the land reclassification and conversion to residential and commercial land use as "indiscriminate", do you want to imply the negative effects of migration?
It's ironic if you show dismay since your proposal is tenement housing. It would not help the agriculture sector at all... if you think it does, how?

pipicosis wrote: as of 2007, Rizal has 954 subdivisions and still exhibiting fast growth resulting in conversion of agricultural land

Rizal development aims to provide adequate services for the people to develop an integrated urban and rural settlement with a balance growth.

development is recommended to balance development among housing, commerce, agriculture and tourism, ADDITIONAL POPULATION SHOULD BE TRANSLATED TO MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN AGRICULTURE, TRADING, REAL ESTATE AND OTHER SERVICES.

increasing the density of buildings per land surface area or increasing the occupancy rate of existing multi-storey structures is a must.
Migration = More Job opportunities, but not in agriculture... most of these migrants from the province don't want to work in farms anymore, these people works on the IT sector (call centers), industrial businesses, factories, retail, etc... Hence the demand of more low cost housing...

pipicosis wrote: PROPOSAL:
housing, tenement (a low cost substandard multi-family dwelling)
-as a solution for rapid growing demand for housing.
You are on the right track if you go with your research described above, you mentioned "substandard" what do you mean?
substandard construction?
substandard structure (smaller living areas)?
The occupants of these low cost housing will never be farm workers, instead they are the ordinary local people, like carpenters, drivers, security guards, those who are working in factories, malls, call centers, processing plants, and as you said migrants from the province who are in the city to make a living...

pipicosis wrote:+
greenhouse, pocket farms (vertical layout)
-to help achieve agricultural development (encouraging tenants) to support the province's food requirements complementing the future expected growth of population.
This is a good idea, this is also the concept of permaculture, but in a very small scale...

BUT the statement "support the province food requirements" is over rated, "support" is a huge word to hurdle... we know that it won't!... It won't even support the food requirement of the tenants themsleves... but it would help them just a little bit... Ex: they plant kalabasa on these pocket farms, they wont be harvesting kalabasa everyday? they wont get anything until it's time to harvest. They may use the produce themselves or sell it for a profit... Thats the only time they will get something, but not much... but it would help kahit papano...

pipicosis wrote:+
agricultural training rooms and workshops
-handled by ATI (agricultural training institute) for region-IV A, (a TESDA for agriculture) is currently needing facilities to hold their free events about agricultural technology.

somehow this my primary draft about the problem. C&C pls bounce
To me this is an odd addition... i don't know how you are going to relate the 2, simply because mass housing and large scale agriculture doesn't go together... read your very 1st paragraph above and that's what it say... that's what "indiscriminate" means in that statement, it doesn't compliment each other...
I would say forget about agriculture all the way and do your tenement housing and incorporate permaculture and it would be enough to get your hands full... and i think it will be a good thesis...


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Post by bokkins on Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:46 am

Good job! Mukhang may pinapatunguhan itong gawa mo bro.

Suggestions ko pa:
1. Wag naman substandard! Pwede naman na low cost standard housing, as designers and members of this society, we can't go beyond substandard.
2. Classify mo ang mga pwedeng itanim sa elevated farms, dapat worth it in terms of value and return of invesments. Siguro bawal muna ang mga kamote or kangkong. Dapat yung may profit para sa maintenance at progress.
3. Maganda din na may levels or heirarchy ang development mo. Yung kailangan ng vertical kasi densely populated, yung midrise para sa medyo outskirts at yung sprawling sa medyo malayo ng konti. Sa sprawling, dito pa din ang mga ricefields. Everything na nangangailangan ng vast space.
Good luck!

Pero yung project mo siguro, pwede na magfocus kung san yung dense at kailangan ng magandang detalye.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:55 pm

silvercrown wrote:
when you describe the land reclassification and conversion to residential and commercial land use as "indiscriminate", do you want to imply the negative effects of migration?
It's ironic if you show dismay since your proposal is tenement housing. It would not help the agriculture sector at all... if you think it does, how?

sir about the statements, all of it comes from the land use program and statistics of Rizal, I just read the whole book and highlighted those statements that may support my proposal,

silvercrown wrote:
Migration = More Job opportunities, but not in agriculture... most of these migrants from the province don't want to work in farms anymore, these people works on the IT sector (call centers), industrial businesses, factories, retail, etc... Hence the demand of more low cost housing...

I interviewed the head of the agriculture department of Rizal capitol, as a farmer himself he told me that farming is not a fulltime job that needs a lot of time, especially in small scale. trends are farmers take care of their crops at morning then do another job the until afternoon, then back to the crops.
as for me, yes migrants will work for other services besides agriculture, but only 1or2 of family member/s will. those who remain can take care of these small scale farms as an additional income. it can be a good practice too for children.

silvercrown wrote:
You are on the right track if you go with your research described above, you mentioned "substandard" what do you mean?
substandard construction?
substandard structure (smaller living areas)?
The occupants of these low cost housing will never be farm workers, instead they are the ordinary local people, like carpenters, drivers, security guards, those who are working in factories, malls, call centers, processing plants, and as you said migrants from the province who are in the city to make a living...

that "substandard" is the definition of wikipedia about tenement and I again just highlighted this info, but i guess it cant be substandard.
yes they are not farm workers but, due to their low income and poor status, they may, or they will try to find jobs for extra income, and here it is. and as for education about planting, these workshop and free training will help.

silvercrown wrote:
This is a good idea, this is also the concept of permaculture, but in a very small scale...

BUT the statement "support the province food requirements" is over rated, "support" is a huge word to hurdle... we know that it won't!... It won't even support the food requirement of the tenants themsleves... but it would help them just a little bit... Ex: they plant kalabasa on these pocket farms, they wont be harvesting kalabasa everyday? they wont get anything until it's time to harvest. They may use the produce themselves or sell it for a profit... Thats the only time they will get something, but not much... but it would help kahit papano...

ow sorry, it would rather be "it can HELP support"
i know it wont practically, but my point about this support the food shortage, is about them selling their crops at the market increasing productivity at the same time this will result to low price of vegetables.
when it comes to the time to grow and harvest, i'll definitely study the growth various plants and their seasonal properties, making a year round harvest of different vegetables...i believe this is possible.

silvercrown wrote:
To me this is an odd addition... i don't know how you are going to relate the 2, simply because mass housing and large scale agriculture doesn't go together... read your very 1st paragraph above and that's what it say... that's what "indiscriminate" means in that statement, it doesn't compliment each other...
I would say forget about agriculture all the way and do your tenement housing and incorporate permaculture and it would be enough to get your hands full... and i think it will be a good thesis...

maybe it'll somehow work...i mean "ADDITIONAL POPULATION SHOULD BE TRANSLATED TO MORE JOB" as i have said not all family members can work for an industrial, or IT sector but all of them know how to water plants. but i can see your point...maybe it can't be, but i'll try to relate those two.

thanks sir! i really appreciate your concern! this conversation clear my mind about possible flaws of my proposal. thanks po talaga sir silvercrown bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:01 pm

bokkins wrote:Good job! Mukhang may pinapatunguhan itong gawa mo bro.

Suggestions ko pa:
1. Wag naman substandard! Pwede naman na low cost standard housing, as designers and members of this society, we can't go beyond substandard.
2. Classify mo ang mga pwedeng itanim sa elevated farms, dapat worth it in terms of value and return of invesments. Siguro bawal muna ang mga kamote or kangkong. Dapat yung may profit para sa maintenance at progress.
3. Maganda din na may levels or heirarchy ang development mo. Yung kailangan ng vertical kasi densely populated, yung midrise para sa medyo outskirts at yung sprawling sa medyo malayo ng konti. Sa sprawling, dito pa din ang mga ricefields. Everything na nangangailangan ng vast space.
Good luck!

Pero yung project mo siguro, pwede na magfocus kung san yung dense at kailangan ng magandang detalye.


sir bokkins thanks po sa pag daan. salamat din po dito sa CGP at may pinapatunguhan nga po ako!
sa no.1 po:
iyong substandard po kasi ay definition sa wikipedia, pero salamat po, oo nga naman, as a designer we can't go beyond substandards. thanks po dito!

sa no.2
opo, I will study and somehow formulate a set of crops that can provide a year round harvest.

sa no.3
salamat po. noted po ito.

salamat po talaga sa comments. sana po stay tuned po kayo dito sa thesis ko po bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:01 am

Good day sir, recently nagka-problema po ako about dito sa proposal ko po, determining my target occupants.
lately I stated that my target are migrators for future delevelopment in Rizal solving the need for housing, because Rizal is encouraging growth on the other half (the rural part of Rizal).
but there is no assurance that migrators will rent on a tenement housing, unlike relocation projects wherein they are forced to live with the designed housing.

apparently, my classmate already propose a relocation project, and I cant use it anymore as my basis.

is it possible to propose a government owned tenement giving consent for non-skilled workers and giving a low price rent for the housing. (these kind of tenement exist, ex. military tenement, teacher's tenement, etc)

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Post by julcab on Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:56 am

brief: sa ngayun kulang tayo sa facilities for tech agri research para maging globally competitive tayo.In reality puro tayo import. its a major thing. napuntahan ko mindanao to luzon. they all have the same problem. zamboanga (rubber) to ilocos (bawang rice etc) lack research facilities. on those journey nadiscover ko yung type of rubber tree(well adaptive siya sa kahit anong uri ng lupa at almost zero maintenance with 3-5 yrs maturity with good value) with the expense of foul smell at tinanim ko sa ilocos also nagtanim din kami ng organic na tanim(mataas ang value for robinsons and 5sisters mall ilocos) na hopefully puwede for export.

-nagseminar din kami dati sa agriculture. madaming paraan tol. example ( manga+kalamansi+saging combo)

-pag value go for organic(demand specially abroad). sustain income of the community(kabarangay)

-sustainability less or almost zero maintence go for rubber(3-5 years maturity and lifespan 15-20yrs).

based on experience.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:15 am

julcab wrote:brief: sa ngayun kulang tayo sa facilities for tech agri research para maging globally competitive tayo.In reality puro tayo import. its a major thing. napuntahan ko mindanao to luzon. they all have the same problem. zamboanga (rubber) to ilocos (bawang rice etc) lack research facilities. on those journey nadiscover ko yung type of rubber tree(well adaptive siya sa kahit anong uri ng lupa at almost zero maintenance with 3-5 yrs maturity with good value) with the expense of foul smell at tinanim ko sa ilocos also nagtanim din kami ng organic na tanim(mataas ang value for robinsons and 5sisters mall ilocos) na hopefully puwede for export.

-nagseminar din kami dati sa agriculture. madaming paraan tol. example ( manga+kalamansi+saging combo)

-pag value go for organic(demand specially abroad). sustain income of the community(kabarangay)

-sustainability less or almost zero maintence go for rubber(3-5 years maturity and lifespan 15-20yrs).

based on experience.

noted po ito sir, I know din po na madaming paraan pag dating sa agriculture, or mas maliit, cultivation of crops...ito po nag iinspire din sakin somehow. architecture + agriculture, pero with the current state, lack of education, lack of support from the government, etc. nagfa-fade na po ang idea,
ngayon po ang focus ko po muna ay ang legal basis ko po sa proposal ko po, salamat po sa pag daan po sir bounce
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by julcab on Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:31 am

is it possible to propose a government owned tenement giving consent for non-skilled workers and giving a low price rent for the housing. (these kind of tenement exist, ex. military tenement, teacher's tenement, etc)

other countries are doing that. dito sa pilipinas dami pa dadaanang body niyan para maamend (50-50 chance). But it will raise a lot of issues especially budget. but it can be done legally. in reality malabo hehehe IMHO.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by silvercrown on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:46 am

Gov't housing projects did exist. the BLISS projects of Marcos.
They have it in different forms, single detached units, duplex, row houses, midrise buildings...

I think there are gov't funded projects din during the last 15yrs, na midrise housing structures/ tenement... (if i could remember it correctly, the late comedian Rene Requistas lived on this type of dwelling nung wala na syang pera)
Those type of structures didn't worked well. substandard yung materials at construction...
Walang tubig, yung iba walang ilaw, walang elevator system, fire alarm system at Sprinkler system... And these needs huge amount of money for maintenance... ito yung problema, maintenance... Kung iaasa mo sa gobyerno walang mangyayari...

That's why private entities who help the poor build houses like Gawad Kalinga, Habitat for humanity goes for the detached system or row houses kase mas angkop sa lifestyle ng mga filipino...

You may pursue your midrise housing project (kase parang gustong-gusto mo talaga etong project), but it should be a private development, target mo yung working class housing market, kase marami sila, at maka-afford silang bumili ng units at pambayad ng maintenance...
Pwede mong incorporate yung vertical garden concept mo (i won't call it argriculture, it's too small of a scale...though it still falls under agriculture, lets call it a garden instead) then you can develop the roof tops into a sky garden, recreation, park, if you have a complex of these structures you can connect the rooftops with sky bridges, people can do their daily jogging, wallking sa roof tops complete with gazebos, plants, flowers and small trees... widen your scope, don't limit your creativity... (sana these features di makadagdag ng malaki sa cost ng project)
In thesis like this, you only have to prove to your jury the positive impact of the project to the environment and the people around it (w/c i think everything is positive) against of course the supposed cost of the project (is it practical? affordable? possible?)...
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:53 am

sir, i've formulated these set of ideas, while nasa byahe.
i think give up ko na nga iyong agriculture,
instead:

tenement for the upper levels, (3-6)
separate or connected by bridge po iyong vertical garden building

for the 2nd floor,
workshop room or rooms for seminar are provided for small seminars about weaving, stitching, handicrafts, etc. ( iyong ginagawa ng mga preso para mag karon ng income) i think, sakop din po ito ng TESDA courses.

ground floor, small stalls or market place, to be rented also by tenants, or mas preferred kung management nitong tenement ang mag handle nitong market? kung individual rentals po ng stalls, maaari kasi pong mag conflict or competition in terms of selling their goods, leading to lowering their prices, ending with very low income. on the other hand, kung management po ang may handle, mas mame-maintain po ang prices at ordinance po sa market.

pasensya na po, nagreport po kc ng brownout, kaya medyo nag mamadali po ako sa post...details po nalang sa susunod.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by jamesalbert on Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:34 pm

pipicosis wrote:sir, i've formulated these set of ideas, while nasa byahe.
i think give up ko na nga iyong agriculture,
instead:

tenement for the upper levels, (3-6)
separate or connected by bridge po iyong vertical garden building

for the 2nd floor,
workshop room or rooms for seminar are provided for small seminars about weaving, stitching, handicrafts, etc. ( iyong ginagawa ng mga preso para mag karon ng income) i think, sakop din po ito ng TESDA courses.

ground floor, small stalls or market place, to be rented also by tenants, or mas preferred kung management nitong tenement ang mag handle nitong market? kung individual rentals po ng stalls, maaari kasi pong mag conflict or competition in terms of selling their goods, leading to lowering their prices, ending with very low income. on the other hand, kung management po ang may handle, mas mame-maintain po ang prices at ordinance po sa market.

pasensya na po, nagreport po kc ng brownout, kaya medyo nag mamadali po ako sa post...details po nalang sa susunod.
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Ganitong development? Parang self contained development na ito sir at tingin ko malaking project na ito maraming behavioral analysis na ang maiinvolve dito pero maganda ito (in my opinion) kasi you will have your target users sa mga services na iooffer mo like sa mga stalls, market atbp. Parang city in a structure yung ganyang development. Nareserach ko ganyan ang ginawa sa roppongi hills sa japan na yung may ari ng lupa n kinatatayuan ng roppongi hills ay nagkaroon ng unit nung tinayo yun ngunit ang silbi ng development na iyon ay to maximize the use of land and not as your problem pero it might help in some aspects in my opninon lng hehehehe. Try to search the sky city 1000 which is a proposed development sa japan and roppongi hills pero mukhang talagang lumayo ka na sa idea mo noong una. pero if iincorporate mo yung idea ni sir silvercrown

silvercrown wrote:You may pursue your midrise housing project (kase parang gustong-gusto mo talaga etong project), but it should be a private development, target mo yung working class housing market, kase marami sila, at maka-afford silang bumili ng units at pambayad ng maintenance...
Pwede mong incorporate yung vertical garden concept mo (i won't call it argriculture, it's too small of a scale...though it still falls under agriculture, lets call it a garden instead) then you can develop the roof tops into a sky garden, recreation, park, if you have a complex of these structures you can connect the rooftops with sky bridges, people can do their daily jogging, wallking sa roof tops complete with gazebos, plants, flowers and small trees... widen your scope, don't limit your creativity... (sana these features di makadagdag ng malaki sa cost ng project)
In thesis like this, you only have to prove to your jury the positive impact of the project to the environment and the people around it (w/c i think everything is positive) against of course the supposed cost of the project (is it practical? affordable? possible?)...

you may research on ideas of ken yeang kaso high rise na yung development na ito eh depende sayo if maghigh rise ka. May nagthesis na kasi samin about vertical farming eh at in reality maintenance pa lang ng ganitong development ay mataas na kasi sa technology pa lang na gagamitin.
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by pipicosis on Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:09 am

Sir jamesalbert, salamat po sa pag daan! na-search ko na po iyong roponggi hills at sky city 1000 both in japan, ayos po iyong concept, somewhat ganon nga po itong proposal, pero hindi naman po ganon kalaki. kung tutuusin maliit po talaga itong proposal na to, dahil sa housing lang po ito, at midrise pa. about naman po sa permaculture designs, hindi rin naman po kasing lawak ang reason nito katulad kay ken yeang po. hindi po talga siya vertical farming, masyado po ito maliit para matawag na farming (i guess) maliit lang po talaga, and i think maintenance can be handled through design.

salamat po ulit sa pagdaan, opo lumayo na po talaga ako sa idea ko po noong una, pero dahil naman po iyon sa mga info na nakukuha ko regarding farming.

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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by silvercrown on Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:12 pm

It's time to consolidate your concept & ideas...
Layout the requirements of your project.
And get ready to formulate the best solution for you project.
Goodluck!
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Re: Architectural Thesis (II)

Post by jamesalbert on Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:25 am

silvercrown wrote:It's time to consolidate your concept & ideas...
Layout the requirements of your project.
And get ready to formulate the best solution for you project.
Goodluck!

I second that emotion
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