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Post by Valiant on Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Latest work in progress. Medyo nahihirapan akong pumili ng elegant wall exterior finish. Your cnc's are very valuable for the realization of this project. Marami pang kulang, I hope I can finish it till the end of July. Bahala na kayo guys Smile

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nagtanim ng kunti bago matulog... added street lighting too, bukas ulit Smile kelangan pa ring bawasan ang AO.
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Post by keico on Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:33 pm

wow sir ayos to... sana makuha ko na yung ganitong quality na render output.. Smile

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Post by markro010 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:37 pm

nice ang cool ng dating...
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Post by arki_norie on Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:36 pm

wow sana ganito rin ang output ko ano po workflow nito master?
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Post by cloud20 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:13 pm

Almost finished na entourage na lang. May slight distortions dahil sa cam angles pero okay naman, sacrifice ng kaunti para dynamic ang shots. Ganda ng skies. HDRI? 1725?
Laking project sir Valiant..
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Post by aesonck on Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:04 pm


1.What's the purpose of culdesac left side?
2.Theres a plantbox out of range, if will make this circular.
3.Hip on the main structures but not on the Entrance Battlement.
4.Fountain for the Grand
5.Shelter for the main activities
6.Where's the exterior central area for the peps.
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Post by archi7192011 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:13 pm

sir maybe you can fix vertical shift. and too much AO for me. ang tapang. really nice render and design. 2thumbsup

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Post by princedaguz13 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:30 pm

sir pwede pa siguro babaan ung wall ng arc driveway mo. IMHO lang naman. ung wall texture sir ok na yang ganyang color for me. is that a stone paint finish? pwede pa siguro isang lighter na color, sa laki ng palace na to with service and majlis block para di gaano uniform tingnan. IMHO. TFS galing ng model.
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Post by Valiant on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:44 pm

keico wrote:wow sir ayos to... sana makuha ko na yung ganitong quality na render output.. Smile


in time makukuha mo yan basta don't be contented kung ano ang alam mo... practice lang ng practice bro Smile thanks

markro010 wrote:nice ang cool ng dating...

salamat bro

arki_norie wrote:wow sana ganito rin ang output ko ano po workflow nito master?

AutoCAD, 3dsmax + Vray and Photoshop. Thanks bro. Smile

cloud20 wrote:Almost finished na entourage na lang. May slight distortions dahil sa cam angles pero okay naman, sacrifice ng kaunti para dynamic ang shots. Ganda ng skies. HDRI? 1725?
Laking project sir Valiant..

10 percent done master cloud. Still a very long way to go. I did not intend to apply cam correct for now apply ko yan pag mga final views na pero i will retain it on some dynamic shots. I bought the sky from 3docean by peter guthrie, and yup it's his best seller 1725. Thanks for dropping by.

aesonck wrote:
1.What's the purpose of culdesac left side? cul DE sac is not really how it look like, gazebo will be placed there but i might insist to put a kid's playground.
2.Theres a plantbox out of range, if will make this circular. i will check if we can still change it...
3.Hip on the main structures but not on the Entrance Battlement. unity might sound good but we can break it once in a while.
4.Fountain for the Grand. for now i haven't found any, this is surely on my list.
5.Shelter for the main activities. Majlis are located outside near the road and another two for the palace. One is for the ladies and the other for the gents. Function room was also provided.
6.Where's the exterior central area for the peps. same answer as number 5.
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yup... still working...

salamat bro Smile points taken

archi7192011 wrote:sir maybe you can fix vertical shift. and too much AO for me. ang tapang. really nice render and design.
vertical shift is not yet applied, maybe on some cam shots but i prefer on not using it on some. i will adjust the ao, masyado ngang matapang...
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Post by Valiant on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:58 pm

princedaguz13 wrote:sir pwede pa siguro babaan ung wall ng arc driveway mo. IMHO lang naman. ung wall texture sir ok na yang ganyang color for me. is that a stone paint finish? pwede pa siguro isang lighter na color, sa laki ng palace na to with service and majlis block para di gaano uniform tingnan. IMHO. TFS galing ng model.

height of delivery trucks was considered that's why ganyan kataas yan bro. They have a habit of changing most of their furniture and even exterior finishes once in a year kaya kelangan ok ang access. thanks for your comment sa wall finish, that's really my priority and let's see if having variations will still make it look regal. My idea is to make it unified by means of color because as we can see masyadong nalaro na ang mga geometries. Model was done in AutoCAD. Salamat bro Smile
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Post by mokong on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:00 am

laki nito ah.. like the lighting for this.. bumili pa talaga ng pinakamagandang sky.. pwd makihati niyan? hehe.. looking forward na matapos mo to bro..
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:05 am

mokong wrote:laki nito ah.. like the lighting for this.. bumili pa talaga ng pinakamagandang sky.. pwd makihati niyan? hehe.. looking forward na matapos mo to bro..

bro kumusta na ang animation natin dyan? for sure kickass yan i was curious kung bakit best seller kaya sinubukan ko din and true to it's worth maganda talagang gamitin. hatiin natin? hehehe patutor ako ng animation sa inyo ni alapaap Smile tamang-tama yan dito hehehe. salamat sa pagdaan bro.
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Post by mokong on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:10 am

Valiant wrote:
mokong wrote:laki nito ah.. like the lighting for this.. bumili pa talaga ng pinakamagandang sky.. pwd makihati niyan? hehe.. looking forward na matapos mo to bro..

bro kumusta na ang animation natin dyan? for sure kickass yan i was curious kung bakit best seller kaya sinubukan ko din and true to it's worth maganda talagang gamitin. hatiin natin? hehehe patutor ako ng animation sa inyo ni alapaap Smile tamang-tama yan dito hehehe. salamat sa pagdaan bro.

oo cg no prob bro.. pero hindi pa tapos im still 42 out of 100 frames pa.. target ko 300 frames.. laki kasi ng polys..
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:21 am

mokong wrote:oo cg no prob bro.. pero hindi pa tapos im still 42 out of 100 frames pa.. target ko 300 frames.. laki kasi ng polys..

kaya pala hinihiram mo ang 8gb hahaha akala ko nagbibiro ka Smile
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Post by ortzak on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:25 am

laki nito..yaman siguro ni arbap walid...keep it up..grandeur 2thumbsup
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Post by julcab on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:32 am

wow! Ganda ng banat mo dito bro! Ang laking proposal! San siya located sa mideast? Kumpleto na yung form. Design. Madalas flat roof mga villa dito ae. Pero lately nagintroduce narin sila ng mga solid na pitch roof(aesthetic). Landscape, lagay kanalang ng garden area na me mga tents(or any shade area with floor rags at low sofas since mahilig sila magshisha. break mo yung green(patan lang mahilig umupo dun)introduce ka ng ibat ibang klaseng vegetations, rocks and sand(oasis style). lagay ka ng lighting fixtures sa mga wall floor ceiling and pathways. materials? Intruduce ka ng ceramic at stone(granite) sa structure mo. ^^ Very Happy
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Post by bizkong on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:44 am

malaki nga to pre, me basement / basement parking din ba ito? nice design ha. me project din kaming kasing laki din nito sa pearl, pero an tagal na, di pa na aaprove ng big boss namin yung design, ilang scheme na ginawa namin. anyways, okey lang naman at least me ginagawa kami.hehehe. Imho master K, na iilang lang ako sa concrete rail( yun ba tawag nun ) sa may entrance ramp uma-agaw ng attention. exterior parking? abangan ko final output nito, sure astig yun @ lakas na PC mo ha. regards pre!!!!!
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:52 am

ortzak wrote:laki nito..yaman siguro ni arbap walid...keep it up..grandeur
mayaman nga bro Smile salamat sa pagdaan

julcab wrote:wow! Ganda ng banat mo dito bro! Ang laking proposal! San siya located sa mideast? Kumpleto na yung form. Design. Madalas flat roof mga villa dito ae. Pero lately nagintroduce narin sila ng mga solid na pitch roof(aesthetic). Landscape, lagay kanalang ng garden area na me mga tents(or any shade area with floor rags at low sofas since mahilig sila magshisha. break mo yung green(patan lang mahilig umupo dun)introduce ka ng ibat ibang klaseng vegetations, rocks and sand(oasis style). lagay ka ng lighting fixtures sa mga wall floor ceiling and pathways. materials? Intruduce ka ng ceramic at stone(granite) sa structure mo. ^^ Very Happy

master! Qatar to bro. Dito accepted na nila ang mixed of European and Mediterranean style. Landscaping, yan ang medyo research mode ako bro. Akala ko noon madali lang ang maglagay ng halaman kasi salpak lang ng salpak pero hindi pala hahaha buti sana kung manual rendering na lang medyo madali pa. I guess the left open area is a nice place for garden area. I might put din ung outdoor furniture na akala mo rattan pero plastic, not sure how they called it pero meron kami nun. lighting, plants, trees, shrubs and flowers will be added too.

how about ung wall finish bro? maganda ba ang ganito na isa lang? tapos ang ceramic sa floor lang? may pool din kasi sa likod yan. I am thinking also kung crazycut can have a good impact dun sa shoulders ng malaking ramp?


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Post by princedaguz13 on Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:55 am

Valiant wrote:
princedaguz13 wrote:sir pwede pa siguro babaan ung wall ng arc driveway mo. IMHO lang naman. ung wall texture sir ok na yang ganyang color for me. is that a stone paint finish? pwede pa siguro isang lighter na color, sa laki ng palace na to with service and majlis block para di gaano uniform tingnan. IMHO. TFS galing ng model.

height of delivery trucks was considered that's why ganyan kataas yan bro. They have a habit of changing most of their furniture and even exterior finishes once in a year kaya kelangan ok ang access. thanks for your comment sa wall finish, that's really my priority and let's see if having variations will still make it look regal. My idea is to make it unified by means of color because as we can see masyadong nalaro na ang mga geometries. Model was done in AutoCAD. Salamat bro Smile

Sir valiant, regarding sa height nung wall sa entrance, i dont think the delivery trucks would affect if u change it like series of baluster. kasi sir ang ganda ng facade mo. i like it. quite off lang sa concrete arc natatakluban na nya ung part ng high window. what do you think sir? suggestion lang naman. massive na kasi ung structure so i guess pedeng i-less.. less is more Very Happy
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:03 am

bizkong wrote:malaki nga to pre, me basement / basement parking din ba ito? nice design ha. me project din kaming kasing laki din nito sa pearl, pero an tagal na, di pa na aaprove ng big boss namin yung design, ilang scheme na ginawa namin. anyways, okey lang naman at least me ginagawa kami.hehehe. Imho master K, na iilang lang ako sa concrete rail( yun ba tawag nun ) sa may entrance ramp uma-agaw ng attention. exterior parking? abangan ko final output nito, sure astig yun @ lakas na PC mo ha. regards pre!!!!!

pre natuwa lang akong imodel to, bale ang sa amin dito ay interior hehehe. design is not mine pero nakakapagsuggest kahit kunti. baka pwedeng pasilip nung for the pearl pre? about the concrete rail (yan ba talaga tawag? Shocked) medyo nalalakihan nga ako agaw atensyon... try kung takpan ng halaman para maitago ng kunti. walang basement parking to pre. ang parking nya lang ay ung merong tension cable sa right side... 6-8 cars lang yata. i will surely post final outputs here for your comments and suggestions Wink
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:11 am

princedaguz13 wrote:
Valiant wrote:
princedaguz13 wrote:sir pwede pa siguro babaan ung wall ng arc driveway mo. IMHO lang naman. ung wall texture sir ok na yang ganyang color for me. is that a stone paint finish? pwede pa siguro isang lighter na color, sa laki ng palace na to with service and majlis block para di gaano uniform tingnan. IMHO. TFS galing ng model.

height of delivery trucks was considered that's why ganyan kataas yan bro. They have a habit of changing most of their furniture and even exterior finishes once in a year kaya kelangan ok ang access. thanks for your comment sa wall finish, that's really my priority and let's see if having variations will still make it look regal. My idea is to make it unified by means of color because as we can see masyadong nalaro na ang mga geometries. Model was done in AutoCAD. Salamat bro Smile

Sir valiant, regarding sa height nung wall sa entrance, i dont think the delivery trucks would affect if u change it like series of baluster. kasi sir ang ganda ng facade mo. i like it. quite off lang sa concrete arc natatakluban na nya ung part ng high window. what do you think sir? suggestion lang naman. massive na kasi ung structure so i guess pedeng i-less.. less is more Very Happy

i thought you were referring to the height hehehe We will reconsider that bro Very Happy sa totoo lang arabs likes their houses to be not that visible from outside. they keep on insisting to put a very high fence. that's the whole point of the project bro, make it massive. less is more was already achieved by having a large open area and minimizing wall finish.


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Post by bizkong on Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:13 am

Valiant wrote:
bizkong wrote:malaki nga to pre, me basement / basement parking din ba ito? nice design ha. me project din kaming kasing laki din nito sa pearl, pero an tagal na, di pa na aaprove ng big boss namin yung design, ilang scheme na ginawa namin. anyways, okey lang naman at least me ginagawa kami.hehehe. Imho master K, na iilang lang ako sa concrete rail( yun ba tawag nun ) sa may entrance ramp uma-agaw ng attention. exterior parking? abangan ko final output nito, sure astig yun @ lakas na PC mo ha. regards pre!!!!!

pre natuwa lang akong imodel to, bale ang sa amin dito ay interior hehehe. design is not mine pero nakakapagsuggest kahit kunti. baka pwedeng pasilip nung for the pearl pre? about the concrete rail (yan ba talaga tawag? Shocked) medyo nalalakihan nga ako agaw atensyon... try kung takpan ng halaman para maitago ng kunti. walang basement parking to pre. ang parking nya lang ay ung merong tension cable sa right side... 6-8 cars lang yata. i will surely post final outputs here for your comments and suggestions Wink

sa FB ko yung sketching lang,front at saka sea side.me basement kami nilagay dun. dunno kung yun ang tawag nun sa concrete rail,hehehe.ayus na din i animate to.kumpleto....(paturo nalang ako sa inyo mga ka kosa)
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Post by Valiant on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:39 am

bizkong wrote:sa FB ko yung sketching lang,front at saka sea side.me basement kami nilagay dun. dunno kung yun ang tawag nun sa concrete rail,hehehe.ayus na din i animate to.kumpleto....(paturo nalang ako sa inyo mga ka kosa)

pasyalan ko ang fb mo pre... naka-add ka sa akin e Smile oo nga sana magkaroon pa ng time sa animation. maraming ang kailangan nito pag nagkataon hehehe
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Post by princedaguz13 on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:48 am

Valiant wrote:
princedaguz13 wrote:
Valiant wrote:
princedaguz13 wrote:sir pwede pa siguro babaan ung wall ng arc driveway mo. IMHO lang naman. ung wall texture sir ok na yang ganyang color for me. is that a stone paint finish? pwede pa siguro isang lighter na color, sa laki ng palace na to with service and majlis block para di gaano uniform tingnan. IMHO. TFS galing ng model.

height of delivery trucks was considered that's why ganyan kataas yan bro. They have a habit of changing most of their furniture and even exterior finishes once in a year kaya kelangan ok ang access. thanks for your comment sa wall finish, that's really my priority and let's see if having variations will still make it look regal. My idea is to make it unified by means of color because as we can see masyadong nalaro na ang mga geometries. Model was done in AutoCAD. Salamat bro Smile

Sir valiant, regarding sa height nung wall sa entrance, i dont think the delivery trucks would affect if u change it like series of baluster. kasi sir ang ganda ng facade mo. i like it. quite off lang sa concrete arc natatakluban na nya ung part ng high window. what do you think sir? suggestion lang naman. massive na kasi ung structure so i guess pedeng i-less.. less is more Very Happy

i thought you were referring to the height hehehe We will reconsider that bro Very Happy sa totoo lang arabs likes their houses to be not that visible from outside. they keep on insisting to put a very high fence. that's the whole point of the project bro, make it massive. less is more was already achieved by having a large open area and minimizing wall finish.


hehe, ano ba sir ung akala nyo? same lang kami ng comment ni master bizkong. i dont even know how to call it. he calls it concrete railing. sakin naman eh ung low wall sa driveway entrance. haha. pero may tawag talaga sa driveway na yan eh nakalimutan ko lang. hintayin ko tong wip nyo. wip pa lang pero panalo na.
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Post by julcab on Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:32 am

how about ung wall finish bro? maganda ba ang ganito na isa lang? tapos ang ceramic sa floor lang? may pool din kasi sa likod yan. I am thinking also kung crazycut can have a good impact dun sa shoulders ng malaking ramp?[/quote]

color wall? traditionally single tone lang madalas. mahilig sila maglagay na abobot depende sa status nila. mapapansin gate palang dapat magarbo na(ugali nila yun). Minsan kahit hindi maganda basta mahal. mahilig pala sila sa "grand" lalo na sa entrance. kaya tama yang ginawa mo develop mo nalang. ceramic? madami ako nakikita na nilalagyan nila pieces of ceramic at mamahaling bato sa gate palang. nga pala crucial din sila sa gate. develop kadin ng materials dun especially sa main entrance nila. pagandahin mo lang yun. mostly ganun naeencounter ko dito baka parehas lang diyan.^^ Very Happy ! goodluck bro!
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