Civil Engineers to Practice Architecture

http://www.architectureboard.ph/news.php?id=139#main

any thoughts?

dami na nga nag post eh..
http://www.cgpinoy.org/t19824-architects-to-rally-in-the-crafting-of-the-ce-law-via-sb-2770
at ito naman sakin chief
http://www.cgpinoy.org/t19825-civil-engineers-nice-try


well for my comment... definitely not right... we have our own fields.. sana mag stick nalang sila with there own..
i suggest magenroll nalang ng architecture ung gusto mag practice ng architecture
they can make a building stand but it doesnt mean na they can design

Pasintabi sa mga engineer friends ko; plain & simple lang naman ito eh..

GREED.

Ang masasabi ko lang dito, ang Engineer ( GAWANG PAA) , Ang Arkitekto ( GAWANG KAMAY )..Isang kahibangan..Fu@#...!...

maybe Jealousy too?



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Reporter(R): Engr, may architectural design subject ba kayo nun college?
Civil Engr(CE):ah, wala e.
R: Arch, may structural design subject ba kayo nun college?
Architect(Ar): meron
R: Engr, may architectural topics ba kayo sa board exams?
CE: ah un? wala rin eh.
R: Arch, may structural topics ba kayo sa board exams?
Ar: meron
R: Q&A: saan dapat naka-orient ang football field, N S E W?
CE: sa east yan, ayon sa calculator ko!
Ar: sa north dapat, ayon sa napag-aralan ko
R: senators, isip-isip!!!

Nabalitaan ko nga. Hindi maganda. Bakit ang kulit nila. I have nothing against CE's but bakit pinipilit nila agawin trabaho natin kahit wala sa curriculum nila? Im sorry to say pero wala ako ibang maisip na dahilan kung hindi "greed".

They are not qualified by means of standard, curiculum, practice or by application to the work of an architect. Unless magaral nga sila ng architecture. Or isasama nila ang buong 100% curriculum natin sa curriculum nila. Both are in a different field and profession.

GREED nga! Pasintabi po! Ang pagkakaalam ko lang, ang CIVIL ENGINEER ( GAWANG PAA ) .. Ang ARKITEKTO ( GAWANG KAMAY )..Simple!

basta ang kay juan, kay juan, ang kay pedro, kay pedro

sa bandang huli kung mangyari man ito, makikita rin ng tao kung ang bahay mo ay gawa ng isang arkitekto o enginyero, pag me sining ito...arkitekto, pag wala malamang enginyero...

isa pa, ang dalawang ito dapat ay nagtutulungan para gumawa ng mga obra, hindi para kunin ang kani-kaniyang mga kakayahan para sa pansariling kadahilanan...

sa mga brod naming enginyero, respetohan lang...peace

ang simple simple naman kasi......
ARCHITECTURAL: only for architects
STRUCTURAL : only for civil engineers/pasalamat nga sila tayo na gumagawa ng structural conceptualization..
ELECTRICAL : only for professional electrical engineers / baka agawin pa ng civil engineer to
SANITARY /PLUMBING : sa sanitary engr. at master plumber/ baka agawin nila din ito.
MECHANICAL : para sa mga mechanical engineer/ mag ingat nadin kayo baka ito agawin nila ang trabaho nyo..

maraming magagaling na civil engr. pero hindi sa profession natin.. at nakuha nalang nila thru experience like pagbabasa ng plano na gawa ng mga architects..
pag bagong pasa nga na civil engr. hirap nga magbasa ng plano yan....

mas maganda nga mag design competition nalang sa senado..AIRPORT o hospital ang gagawin...close door..site lang ibibigay ng senado at mga 20 x 30 na papel.. tingnan ko lng, hindi kaya ng civil engr kung panu nya umpisahan....

theomatheus wrote:ang simple simple naman kasi......
ARCHITECTURAL: only for architects
STRUCTURAL : only for civil engineers/pasalamat nga sila tayo na gumagawa ng structural conceptualization..
ELECTRICAL : only for professional electrical engineers / baka agawin pa ng civil engineer to
SANITARY /PLUMBING : sa sanitary engr. at master plumber/ baka agawin nila din ito.
MECHANICAL : para sa mga mechanical engineer/ mag ingat nadin kayo baka ito agawin nila ang trabaho nyo..

ganito nangyayari .plumbing,electrical pinipirmahan ng c.e.
paano nalang pag aaksiyon ang mga electrical engineers,and sanitary/master plumbers together with architects.

qcksilver wrote:Reporter(R): Engr, may architectural design subject ba kayo nun college?
Civil Engr(CE):ah, wala e.
R: Arch, may structural design subject ba kayo nun college?
Architect(Ar): meron
R: Engr, may architectural topics ba kayo sa board exams?
CE: ah un? wala rin eh.
R: Arch, may structural topics ba kayo sa board exams?
Ar: meron
R: Q&A: saan dapat naka-orient ang football field, N S E W?
CE: sa east yan, ayon sa calculator ko!
Ar: sa north dapat, ayon sa napag-aralan ko
R: senators, isip-isip!!!

sir pashare po ah, post ko sa FB, TIA simple lang pero may meaning talaga

(hindi yan nakikita sa galing mag render o mag cadd ah) maybe kaya ngang gumawa ng plan o mag design ang mga civil engineer......pero hindi pa din nila kayang tapatan ang galing sa pagconceptualize at pag design
ang isang arkitekto. lahat inaanalyze mula labas ng bahay
hanggang loob at pati mga nasa paligid...nung nag aral tayo pati pag gawa ng electrical, plumbing, etc.. may alam tyo kahit papano.. ang mga c.e hindi nga nila pinag aralan yan eh...

I can see why this is happening. A civil engineer, before he/she could sign structural plans of structure beyond 3 stories high, must first be a qualified structural engineer, and I guess before someone can be a surveyor, he must be a geodetic engineer, so on and so forth, iba pa yata ang road construction, and bridge design. Meaning, they still have to take further studies, so that they can go BEYOND what general engineers can do.

Kaso, mahal mag aaral sa pinas, as these are post graduate courses, tapos mag eexam pa ulit sila. Ang nangyayari, they end up doing things that they are not supposed to do. Mas mahirap kumita pag road projects lang gagawin nila, mabagal magbayad ang gobyerno.

I guess the best way around it is to change the curriculum of Civil Engineering. Pagdating ng 4th yr, papiliin na sila ng field of specialization, parang doctor, at kung ano man mapili nila, yun na agad exam nila. Para kung ano man ang specialize nila, yun na ang role nila upon getting the appropriate license.

Kasi, ang mga arkitekto, hindi pwedeng magdesign ng tulay, cellphone tower, at roads, ibang discipline kasi ito, these are for the engineers, since, ito talaga ang covered sa course nila, kaya nga CIVIL eh..while architects where trained in designing spaces, that are not only habitable but aesthetically good looking as well.

But to be fair, some engineers can make nice looking structures, due to the fact that design books and magazine abound. Anyone, even a laymen with artistic inclinations, can come up with something. The only problem is they do not have the training for such undertaking.

Just my 2 centimos.....