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Post by Santiago3 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:05 pm

Hello po mga sers and mga maams Smile

Ito po ang kauna-unahan kong post dito, pasensya na at maki kulit kaagad ako sa opinyon and personal preferences ninyo tungkol sa subject Smile

VRay or Mental Ray and why? Alam ko pong mas marami sa inyo ang gumagamit ng VRay for reasons na mas madali cyang gamitin (at mas mabilis?).. bukod dyan gusto ko pong malamang ang mga opinyon ng bawat isa based on your experiences, lalo na mga gurus at masters Smile

Baguhan lang po ako sa 3D cgi, at ang ginagamay ko po ay 3DSMax using Mental Ray.

On a side note, na notice ko po na karamihan sa mga CGIs na gamit sa movie industry ay rendered using Mental ray.
Given the common notion that VRay is a choice among many, gusto ko pong marinig ang mga feedbacks ninyo.

Maraming salamat po.

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by Santiago3 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:07 pm

Sorry, di ko sure bakit nag triple post kaagad Sad

to the mods, paki delete na lang po yung other two posts.

saorry again.

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by tutik on Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:09 pm

nowadays there's a thin line that separates the two. kahit alin po ay hippie

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by v_wrangler on Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:20 pm

I cannot give a non-biased answer because I'm a old brain and and vray allows me to do what MR peeps say MR does.

But that would probably change now with the current recession - so I'll probably hang out with MR peeps and see what good it brings me.

The cost of software is going up and the free MR that comes with max may give us more leverage.

The bottomline is - choose what works for you. It isn't the software that makes your render looks good - it's you the artist anyways.

Let's ask siops - I know he digs MR better than us.
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by bokkins on Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:22 pm

ako vray dahil hanggang ngayon di ko pa din maintindihan ang mental ray kahit na sabi nila mas madali na daw sa newer version. yun lang ang reason ko. outputwise, parehong maganda at maraming pang iba actually. More on the learning curve ako ngbase at technical support. madaming matanungan kasi sa vray. Smile
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by Santiago3 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:10 am

Wow, those are quick replies... and very objective.

Maraming salamat mga ser... medyo unti-unti ko na ring nagamay ang MR in many ways, although di ko lang cya ma compare to VRay as I haven't had the chance to try and use it - yet. I was actually more interested in speed and I've read many comments about VRay being "faster". So I guess, I'd stick to that which I'm comfortable with, so long as I get what I wanted Smile Thanks again.

BTW, sino-sino po sa inyo nakapunta dito sa SIngapore during the SIGraph Asia 2008 last december? I know nandito si "Master ZAP" - co-developer ng MR (http://www.blogger.com/profile/08935910250942359436) but I haven't got the chance see him in person (or attend his workshop) coz general admittance lang po yung ticket ko hehehe..


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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by callow_arki28 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:25 am

ako baguhan pa lang gumamit ng vray, pero kagaya ng sinabi ni sir bokkins mas marami kang matatanungan tungkol sa vray kesa sa mental ray, saka mas madali kong naintidihan at kapain yung mga setup ng vray. mental ray user ako dati pero siguro nahirapan ako intindihin kaya hindi agad nakita yung hinahanap kung quality pagdating sa exterior setup na nakita naman sa vray, yun palang din talaga alam ko kaya ngayun mas nagfofocus sa pag kapa ng vray. Very Happy
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by arkiedmund on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:01 am

I also tried mental ray during my max 6 and max 7 days....medyo nahirapan lang ako sa learning curve kaya, nagswitch ako sa vray.

Pero, ok din, pagnatutunan mo yung mental ray, at least you no longer need to buy a vray license, since you get mental ray with every versions of max.

Sabi pa nga ni sir vertex, wala sa gamit yan, nasa gumagamit yan.

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by darwinzzkie on Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:39 am

vray for me.
sa akin naman masasabi ko lang
wala sa gamit yan. nasa pc yan hehe.
i like vray but i feel hindi ko pa naabut kung hangaang saan talaga kaya ng vray due to my rig.
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by 3DZONE on Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:51 am

Mas gusto ko VRAY kasi mas natutunan ko siya kaagad maybe may complete support sa CHAOS GROUP at may "CGP",....ang mga PC natin medyo hindi pa highend kaya nag aadjust pa tayo sa minimum na makakaya ng VRAY and how much more kung highend lahat ng PC natin na kagaya ng ginagamit ng PIXAR....edi lahat tayo mga master na hehehehe peace man
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by alwin on Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:22 pm

for me inggit ako sa mental ray nuong una kasi maganda yung output!
kaya lang parang bihira lang yung mga tuts na makikita!
kaya paglabas sa vray makikita naman natin na marami yung mga tuts kaya
duon na lang ako kasi komportable ako!
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by AUSTRIA on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:58 pm

Na compare k n ung finish product ng Vray at mental ray pero prang mas realistic ang vray mdali p syang gamitin...ewan k lng hah kc di p nmn ako nkakagamit ng mental ray eh....radiosity p lng nun...

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by 3D newbie on Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:38 am

hi...para sakin vray po kc mas madali cia matutunan....marami tuts...en dati MR gamit ko...ok din ung output nya kso ang hirap gamitin...hehehe...en mas realistic ang vray....
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by v_wrangler on Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:11 am

3D newbie wrote:hi...para sakin vray po kc mas madali cia matutunan....marami tuts...en dati MR gamit ko...ok din ung output nya kso ang hirap gamitin...hehehe...en mas realistic ang vray....

Magkaiba po yung madaling intindihin o pag-aralan kaysa sa kung alin ang mas realistic ang output. I am sure that MR has its good points and a good artist will always be able to render photorealistic images kahit pa anong renderer ang gamitin.
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by celes on Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:33 am

vray all the way.

if MR starts to be process and time efficient, then it's worth a look.
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by Guest on Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:52 am

For me I want to learn MR din sana kaso yun nga medyo onti lng ang tutorials. I know MR can do the work as well kailangan lng talgang pag aralan maige.The good thing with MR is default renderer na sya ng MAx. But who knows, maybe these few years default na din ang VRAY..hehehehe..

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by denz_arki2008 on Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:47 am

PHOTOSHOP pa rin..........


he he he .......

VRAY di kasi ako marunong s mental ray .... si de guff magaling dyan.....

pero kahit saan naman eh.... nagkataon lang na nauna ako sa vray.......


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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by torvicz on Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:34 am

VRAY definitely!

very light....
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by Butz_Arki on Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:24 pm

VRAY sympre!!madaling maintindihan....astig!
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by jarul on Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:39 pm

hnd rin ako marunong ng mental,,but kung bgyan ng pagkktaon mgpraktis,,syempre sasabak din ako dyan,,
sa ngayon vray po muna....
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by houdini on Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:28 pm

I think mental ray and v-ray has its strong points...but usually naman what will matter most is the end result. By saying that its usually on the compositor's end on how they ( mga compositors) will make use of whats on hand (renders) and treat it to achieve its required "look".
at kung references and tutorials naman...internet has been a great source for both these softwares kaya I don't think it will be a hindrance in trying to learn MR and vice-versa.
kung processing and time efficiency naman...strategies and techniques are made to adjust based on the software capabilities. So when one thinks that this way of rendering will work on V-ray, It may not work efficiently on MR and I believe there is always another way for MR to work efficiently.

I'm saying these points kasi 2 months ago pumunta ako sa studio ng friend ko who happens to specialize on vfx filled tv-commercials and all these times akala ko MR or V-ray yung gamit nila kasi ang ganda talaga ng renders...to make the story short Very Happy they were just using plane old software renders.

another thing to consider cgoro is the company where you will be working
they will always have the final say kung ano yung gagamitin.

Finally, maybe by considering these points and pati na rin yung points nang mga kakosa natin, you could decide on your preference. and a good thing to learn cgoro while your in the process of learning. Is to always develop an eye to detail and quality, having these abilities will bring you across regardless of any software at hand.

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by kurdaps! on Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:18 pm

Vray....haven't tried MRay..... Laughing

and not interested anyway.... Rolling Eyes

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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by render master on Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:03 am

ako lahat hehehehe. scanline, mr, vray.....the more the better. hehehehe peace man . para kahit saang angulo ng 3dmax puede mo gamitin.
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Re: VRay or MentalRay and why?

Post by Guest on Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:43 am

nice thread bro 2thumbsup
vray din for me kasi user friendly or friendly user? Twisted Evil

imho mental ray is better than vray because of its compatibilty to 3dsmax default fx. (paki correct po ako kung mali) as an example, have you tried glow effects on vray using max native lens flare? it doesn't work well on my experience or 99% i just don't know the workflow hehehe... solution is not to use vrayframe buffer. tsk

kung resources naman, pareho lang sila. meron din namang mrmaterials depository ang mental ray (thanks to sir onel) na pwedeng ireverse engineer kung paano ginawa. imho, for me, time lang at influence ang factors kaya mas maraming preferred ang vray (count me in). madaling magamay, at karamihan ng kakilala eto ang gamit.

pero sabi nga ang pinoy ay malaki, mataas at mabilis ang learning curve kaya kung hihingin ng pagkakataon na mental ray tayo e ayos din lang... we can surpass expectations palagi e

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Post by tawaqqul on Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:45 am

Onel is right (teacher kasi namin siya sa vray last year).....scanline, MR, vray dapat matutunan, depende kasi sa bayad....at sa diskarte....minsan mas madali sa vray, minsan naman mas madali sa MR, pero kadalasan mas madali sa scanline basta magaling ka lang dumiskarte sa lighting oks na.... 2thumbsup 2thumbsup 2thumbsup
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