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Post by wireframan on Fri May 15, 2009 4:21 am

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Mods, I'm not sure kung pwede ba ang ganitong post dito. Kung hindi pls delete.

Sa lahat po na mga 3d artist/Interior Designers dito sa Singapore ito po ay isang babala lamang sa inyo.
Kung kayo po ay tatanggap ng sideline make sure ask for DP first before doing anything.
Kasi sa kaso ko ay masyado akong ng tiwala sa isang tao na pag-kaakala ko ay isang tunay na professional
pero isa palang mandurogas.

Siya po ay mag papagawa sayo ng rendering or design in rush at sabihin sayo na wag mag-alala kasi controlado nya lahat at walang problema sa payments.

Ginawa ko po ang designs at renderings at binagay sa kanya pero hanggang ngayun hindi pa ako nababayaran. Almost 3 weeks na po marami po syang alibis na sinasabi. At kagabi lang nalaman ko na hindi lang pala ako ang biktima nya..marami na po cya nabiktima dito sa Singapore sa pag kakaalam ko 3 na kaming biktima but I'm not sure kung meron pang iba.

Masakit po sa side namin especially sa side ko kasi pina asa nya ako ng pinaasa while ginagawa ko ang designs. Pinaghirapan namin yun pero kahit isang kusing hindi kami binigyan ng bayad.

Kaya sa mga fellow renderers here in SG pls beware of this person.

IRMA po ang name nya. tomboy po cya. Working somewhere in Orchard. Beware! Be clever enough if she offer you a sideline.

Salamat po sana makatulong ang babalang ito.
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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by wireframan on Sun May 17, 2009 10:27 am

Hey Ketz relax lang hehehe.. ito kaya ang rason kung bakit hindi ako naka punta sa Grand EB..hahaha! Isa cyang barakong babae Ketz.

Anyways hayaan nalang nating ang madurogas na ito ingat nalang kung makipag deal cya sa inyo.

By the way, this thread serves as a warning to all cgp members not only here in SG but all members of this organization. Wag nating hayaan dumami ang mga ganitong tao sa mundo.

Sa lahat na nag replies maraming salamat sa inyo guys! mabuhay ang cgp!

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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by arch_mac7 on Sun May 17, 2009 10:54 am

dapat mga sir,,yang ganyang tao ang kinikidnap ng abbusayaf ng mapugutan ng ulo hahahaha.....peace,,,,,, bandera
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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by v_wrangler on Sun May 17, 2009 8:18 pm

Alam ninyo, hindi lahat ng kumpanya ay willing na magbigay ng deposit lalo na kung first time nila sa inyo. Ano ba naman ang proteksyon ng mga nagpapagawa kung sakaling ang designer naman ang tumakbo in the middle of the project. Wala din di ba? So the situation is sometimes mutual. kaya dito sa amin - napakahalaga ng trust. Pag walang trust - we don't do business, wala pang sakit ng ulo.

So ano ang mas maigi na gawin kung nais mo ring sumadlayn?

Lagyan ng watermarks ang trabaho ninyo. Make sure na yung bibibigay nyong images ay ok na ang resolution for checks. Dyan ka humingi ng downpayment. Ngayon, kung ok na kayo - hintayin mo yong huling bayad tapos saka mo ipasa ang final render - lagyan mo rin ng password ang zip file mo. That way, may proteksyon ka even at the last minute.

Tulad ng nabaggit ng iba - love your day job, huwag gahaman. And if you really need to earn something extra - as much as you can, do it only with companies you already have good relationships with. Kaya nga extra eh - you can live with or without it.
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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by AUSTRIA on Sun May 17, 2009 10:44 pm

v_wrangler wrote:Alam ninyo, hindi lahat ng kumpanya ay willing na magbigay ng deposit lalo na kung first time nila sa inyo. Ano ba naman ang proteksyon ng mga nagpapagawa kung sakaling ang designer naman ang tumakbo in the middle of the project. Wala din di ba? So the situation is sometimes mutual. kaya dito sa amin - napakahalaga ng trust. Pag walang trust - we don't do business, wala pang sakit ng ulo.

So ano ang mas maigi na gawin kung nais mo ring sumadlayn?

Lagyan ng watermarks ang trabaho ninyo. Make sure na yung bibibigay nyong images ay ok na ang resolution for checks. Dyan ka humingi ng downpayment. Ngayon, kung ok na kayo - hintayin mo yong huling bayad tapos saka mo ipasa ang final render - lagyan mo rin ng password ang zip file mo. That way, may proteksyon ka even at the last minute.

Tulad ng nabaggit ng iba - love your day job, huwag gahaman. And if you really need to earn something extra - as much as you can, do it only with companies you already have good relationships with. Kaya nga extra eh - you can live with or without it.

Generally speaking maaring tama ka Sir vertex pero dito sa MIddle East di po uubra ang sinasabi ninyo kasi dito lahat ng Dayuhan ay takot sa Lokal Nationality. So kahit may down payment o wala kailangan mong gawin kundi may power sila na ipakulong ka kasi kaya ka nila ipakulong eh (Remember the case yung sa Airport na mag asawa kwento ni sir Jenaro)...Well case po dito yan sa MIddle East hah ewan ko lang in other countries. Para sa akin Diretsuhin mo na wag na paligoy ligoy pa kasi sa simula pa lang ikaw na talo eh kasi nag exert ka na ng effort... Like what ive said..."Di tatakbo ang kotse pag walang gasolina" so its not fair din between client and Designer kung walang deposit. Sir vertex di ko po kinukuntra ang sinasabi ninyo hah ang sinasabi ko lang po yung sitwasyon dito sa Middle East. Pwede mo rin i kwento agad na ganito" Sir kasi madami na rin akong karanasan na tinakbuhan ako eh kaya pasensya na rin kung gagawin ko to na humingi ng deposit" Actually di ko po side ang kinu kwento ko base on Experience na rin kasi dami ko na rin tabing guhit na di nabayaran eh....Sana po makatulong God bless you....


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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by v_wrangler on Sun May 17, 2009 10:50 pm

Thanks austria - of course I acknowledge that different cultures have different ways of doing things.
So if the client won't agree on paying deposit - don't do it. I don't think you'll go to jail for doing nothing at all.

Sometimes - it is also our responsibility to educate clients. So if it is wrong - It is wrong wherever you go.


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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by WenZ3D on Sun May 17, 2009 10:52 pm

natski08 wrote:
tutik wrote:
1- tamang presyo (hwag sobrang baba para lang mabigyan ng trabaho). mag eechoe yan sa work nyo ibig sabihin iisipin ng mga employers lahat ay may kakayahang mag tabing guhit at di dapat bigyan ng karapat-dapat na sweldo. kung barya-barya lang ang usapan, itulog nyo nalang.
n\\//n

I like this more.. hehehehe.. tulog na lang.. at nuod ka na lang ng sine.. enjoy ka pa.. kasi pagdating ng panahon.. ang ibang employer sasabihin mura lang ang 3D kaya o-offer-an ka na lang ng mababang sahod.. babalik ang mali.. kamot ulo na lang tayo wawa naman family natin.. eh ang masama kung 3D lang alam mo. di ka marunong mag-Project management, supervision at detailing.... san ka pupunta eh di kukunin yung murang offer.. hehehehe.., expand your knowledge not only in 3D...

nakakasilaw kasi ang pera minsan.. di mo alam kung alin ang totoong ginto o tanso.. nyway charge to experience my friend lahat naman tayo dumaan dyan.. sakin sa pinas pa nangyari yan..

mga kaibigan tama po ito, pa PM din po kung sino yung nang biktima pag nakita ko sya d2 sa serangoon babanatan ko...
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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by tutik on Sun May 17, 2009 11:02 pm

WenZ3D wrote:
natski08 wrote:
tutik wrote:
1- tamang presyo (hwag sobrang baba para lang mabigyan ng trabaho). mag eechoe yan sa work nyo ibig sabihin iisipin ng mga employers lahat ay may kakayahang mag tabing guhit at di dapat bigyan ng karapat-dapat na sweldo. kung barya-barya lang ang usapan, itulog nyo nalang.
n\\//n

I like this more.. hehehehe.. tulog na lang.. at nuod ka na lang ng sine.. enjoy ka pa.. kasi pagdating ng panahon.. ang ibang employer sasabihin mura lang ang 3D kaya o-offer-an ka na lang ng mababang sahod.. babalik ang mali.. kamot ulo na lang tayo wawa naman family natin.. eh ang masama kung 3D lang alam mo. di ka marunong mag-Project management, supervision at detailing.... san ka pupunta eh di kukunin yung murang offer.. hehehehe.., expand your knowledge not only in 3D...

nakakasilaw kasi ang pera minsan.. di mo alam kung alin ang totoong ginto o tanso.. nyway charge to experience my friend lahat naman tayo dumaan dyan.. sakin sa pinas pa nangyari yan..

mga kaibigan tama po ito, pa PM din po kung sino yung nang biktima pag nakita ko sya d2 sa serangoon babanatan ko...

LOL hehe...but seriously, nature has a way of serving justice in the form of KARMA. ipaubaya nalang natin dun sa itaas at 'charge to experience' nalang =)

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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by cubi_o: on Sun May 17, 2009 11:15 pm

i agree sir vetz..regarding "Trust".
when doing freelances, both of u are investing trust.
sometimes we ask people around about the clients performance
handling freelances task. sometimes namn, clients are pushing too much as if they employed u. this is just like banking and trusting most.
bsta just kip in mind - "be at your workflow alwayz and working attitude"

i myself wants to have a downpayment from the start of the project, but its not happening all the time. so i just put my "Trust" on the client with thorough conversation, building up a good relationship with them.

hahayyzz...part na talga s industry natin to...hehehe. Laughing
charge to experience nalang ulit..hehehe. Sad


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Re: ATTN: Singapore 3D Visualizers Beware of this person

Post by Joaquin on Sun May 17, 2009 11:21 pm

don't worry bro. may karma yun!

ingats na lang next time.
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Post by v_wrangler on Sun May 17, 2009 11:25 pm

Totoo po yang karma - the world works in mysterious ways. Hindi lang sa larangan ng client-freelancer relationship. Somehow, somewhere - the law of balance will find it's way.

Since mga pro naman lahat kayo dito, pabayaan nyo na lang - pakibulongan nyo na lang ang mga kaibigan nyo para di din sila mapahamak.

I haven't done any freelance work in a decade but I can't help but commend some freelancers whom I've worked in recent months. Nilo and Jayson!

I hope this thread also become a good resource hindi lang kung sino ang dapat ilagan na kliyente kundi how to become an trusthworthy freelancer. Di ba? Very Happy
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Post by jjcb on Mon May 18, 2009 12:14 am

Hindi ka lang nag iisa wireframan.. Pareho na tayong nabiktima nitong "IRMA" na to.. hehe.. Pero sa case ko naman naka ilang ulit na siyang nagpagawa, tapos pangako2x..eh napapako naman.. ang masaklap pa doon, nalaman ko pa kay wireframan na nagpagawa rin sa kanya.. tsk...tsk.. tuloy, pareho na kaming naging biktima.. The truth is, hindi lang kami ni wireframan ang biktima, meron pa kaso pinasa-Diyos na nila.. Tuloy ang buhay sir wireframan! "Karma" lang ang katapat sa mga taong ganito.. thumbsup

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Post by wireframan on Mon May 18, 2009 12:20 am

Tama..pabayann nalang natin ang taong to wag nalang natin laitin hindi nman cya gnayan kasama.. pero ingat pa rin kayo baka mapahamak kayo tulad namin.

By the way, this person just texted me saying the same thing na babayaran daw nya ako..haven't contacted her more than a week now..I don't want to deal with her anymore and my decision is final not to accept any amount if ever she give it since the damage has been done. Patas na ang laban.. For now I concentrate on my day job... nagka trauma agad ako hahaha peace man
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Post by v_wrangler on Mon May 18, 2009 12:22 am

That's good news wireframan - kaya kwidaw muna tayo sa pagbitaw ng salita. malay natin kinausap na sya ng maykapal! Very Happy
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Post by wireframan on Mon May 18, 2009 12:23 am

jjcb wrote:Hindi ka lang nag iisa wireframan.. Pareho na tayong nabiktima nitong "IRMA" na to.. hehe.. Pero sa case ko naman naka ilang ulit na siyang nagpagawa, tapos pangako2x..eh napapako naman.. ang masaklap pa doon, nalaman ko pa kay wireframan na nagpagawa rin sa kanya.. tsk...tsk.. tuloy, pareho na kaming naging biktima.. The truth is, hindi lang kami ni wireframan ang biktima, meron pa kaso pinasa-Diyos na nila.. Tuloy ang buhay sir wireframan! "Karma" lang ang katapat sa mga taong ganito.. thumbsup

Ayan lumabas na! aper tayo jjcb! cge na pabayann na natin cya.. By the way congrats nga pala sa UAP Singapore chapter kita ko mga pic nyo! 2thumbsup
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Post by charles_manson on Tue May 26, 2009 7:51 am

kahit sa atin mamadaliin ka sa pag gawa ,pero pag sumingil ka na ang tagal magbayad,hirap kumita nang pera!!!!Sana makarma yung sinasabi mo,hehehe
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Post by Guest on Tue May 26, 2009 10:09 am

Ano ba kayo, wag kayo aasa sa karma, dahil ang karma, matagal pa bago dumating un! Kadalasan, dadating pa un pag naka move on na kayo. . . E d nde na "karma" un para sa inyo. .maaawa na lang kayo sa kanila. .

Dapat unahan na nyo ang karma. Pag gus2 gumanti, ganti na agad. Para maturuan ng leksyon.

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Post by v_wrangler on Tue May 26, 2009 8:52 pm

grabe ang aliases lately ah! Si kettlerenderer panay ang biro!

Actually nagpapatong patong ang karma. Kaya madatagal dumating kung minsan.

Huwag nang gumanti - trabaho ng tadhana iyon. It's a waste of precious energy. And if some people betrayed your trust, just ignore them - that's the greatest revenge.

I will still advise people to refrain from badmouthing people na nagkautang sa inyo. The world do know how to make balances - pag pumatol kayo sa tanga, magiging tanga rin kayo. Huwag nang dagdagan pa ng barumbado ang mundong ito. Masyado ng masikip!

Move on, learn from the experience and be wiser next time.
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Post by pakunat on Tue May 26, 2009 10:12 pm

tnx sir sa babala. maraming ganyan dito sa sg. kaya hesitant ako pag pinoy nagpagawa. buti ung ibang lahi sila pa ung mahihiya na ndi magbayad. tnx.

meron din akong kakilala:

mag ingat na lang
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Post by ericson_ya on Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:23 am

bigay nyo po number d2 or email tapos magoofer ako ng services tapos papaasahin ko xa tapos ndi ko gagawin antayin ko nlng ang deadline nya hahaha!
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Post by tanting on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:08 am

nomeradona wrote:aba eh kung tutuo to dapat pati picture ilagay na... eh kung nagiba ng pangalan at nagpanggap ng bakla.


agree hehehehehehe! 2thumbsup
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Post by artedesenyo on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:34 am

wireframan, i stayed in singapore for 10 years! at marami ang ganyang klaseng tao pero hindi kabayan ha. alamo mo kung nasa orchard yan di aabot ng wheelock place yan, wag syang dadaan ng lucky plaza kamo!.

dagdag lang tungkol sa presyo, ikaw ang bahala kung anong presyo gusto mo mataas o mababa depende sa trabahong gagawin mo, belive in yourself bro. PAG BINABABABA NATIN PRESYO NATIN, mahal tayo bro, pag nag dive tayo nang presyo lahat bababa pati panty bumababa. mag set ka ng limit kung hangang magkano ka, mahal ang mga pinoy bro wag tayo maging mura. yan ang dahilan kung bakit ako napunta ng china kasi mas malaki na ang offer sa china dati noong 1999 ang designer 3d architect sa singaprore ay nasa 5000 to 7000 ngayon nasa 1200 na pero ang trabaho parehas lang, nung nag 2500 time to go na ko, yan ay dahil maraming nag pa baba nang singil nila. ito ay base lang sa ecperience ko wala sanang ma oofend.
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Post by kensweb on Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:40 pm

Hehehe, Naalala ko yung pinagsideline ko dito sa qatar, pinoy sila mag-asawa, new business ng kanilang flower shop,, need nila presentation ng shop nila, refer lang din sakin ng officemate ko, kaya medyo may trust ako ng onti, nagpagawa na daw sila sa iba pero di nila gusto yung pagkagawa, yung ginawa ko naman, super satisfied sila, yun daw hinahanap nila, as first timer, hindi ako nagsabi ng price, sabiko nalang sa huli nalang, kasi baka may mga idagdag payan or pabago, syempre, yung oras mo, puyat mo, yung kuryente mo, d mo alam lugi ka pa pala hehehe.... then after mga 30% of work ko for preview, nilagyan ko ng watermarks, then ayun aprub nila and ready for final, ayun,,, after nun, binayaran naman ako hehehe, then in the second na papagawa sila, aynaku tumatawad agad ng 50% discount, hehehe, ayun, goodbye nalang, hanap nalang sila iba.... ok yung idea ni sir vertex, zip file with password. gawin ko nga yun next time.
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Post by reygerali on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

This kind of people are taking advantage to someone who are trying to earn for a living. They must be blacklisted in our community. Agree it or not. Sir V is right just spread to your friends who they are..
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Post by ninong on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:56 pm

nangyari na din sa akin dito sa singapore yan sir. buti nga syo weeks lang sir wireframan sa akin nag 2nd year anniversary na. di pa nga ako nadala, pinag bigyan ko pa (matigas ang ulo ko daw sabi ni mrs ko) gumawa ulit ako ng isa pa sa kanya mag anniversary na ulit. till now wala man lang paramdam.

tama nga si sir pakunat pag mga local ang nagpagawa sila pa ang nahihiya, pag pinoy ay asahan mo magdadalawang isip ka talaga.

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Post by ONCIRE on Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:30 am

thanks dito sa info.... buti na lang my recent sideline ngbayad sakin... wala din dp... trust lang usapan namin... im glad hindi siya si irma... noted ---- irma--- beware...
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Post by gwapito10 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:04 am

share ko lng din singaporian client ko medyo sa side ko naman nag deal kme sa pricing then tinapos ko ung design but during the time n nag bill ako ung price na napagusapan nmin is nag iba nag bayad naman xa pero kulang ung bayad nya revision is not accepted pra sa knya nkakawlangana ung mga singaporian kung minsan sorry for the words..

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