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Post by supremoh on Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:02 am

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just like to know, how much do you charge your client for a hi-res interior 3d drawing using 3dsmax in vray rendering? im asking beacause i dont know how to make quote on the said project. the print size is A2 size. hope somebody will enlighten me. tia guys and more power to cgpinoy... Very Happy

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Post by cloud20 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:07 am

Ayos na po. Paumanhin. Dispensa. Nagkausap na kami ni kabalen. Humingi na ako ng paumanhin.

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Post by ARCHITHEKTHURA on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:08 am

cloud20 wrote:Ayos na po. Paumanhin. Dispensa. Nagkausap na kami ni kabalen. Humingi na ako ng paumanhin.

Thanks Master Chrome..No worries.. thumbsup

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Post by oDi120522 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:12 am

cloud20 wrote:Ayos na po. Paumanhin. Dispensa. Nagkausap na kami ni kabalen. Humingi na ako ng paumanhin.

nyaaa... lambisan lang yan... lol... balik sa topic.... wehehehe... peace man inuman na bounce cher
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by kurdaps! on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:15 am

Thanks guys...

Back to Topic now...

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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by crayzard on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:40 am

sagutin ko lng po yung question ni sir arkitektura.. sa 3.5 k each po madalas naman po kada buwan is at least 6-7 stills ako, interior po yun.. mas malaki kasi ang bigayan dito ng exterior like 8-15 k per stills. kaso bibihira po.. pag interior na customized talga lahat aabot lng ng mga 8 k per still kaso pag sa isang area 3 shots tatawad pa sila ng mga 7 k kasi nga daw iisa area lng naman yun.. eh ang usapan hindi naman depende sa area kundi depende sa dami ng perspective.. so far medyu okey pa naman nakakapagupgrade pa den ng pc every year, kahit paanu eh may sobra pa den. hindi nga lng katulad dati mga 2 yrs ago na unti pa lng yung marunong.... marami ren nag oofer ng job sa ibang bansa kaso mas prefer ko na dito na lng medyu ayus pa ang kita at kasama ko family ko... hirap den mapalayu sa knila eh.............
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Post by ARCHITHEKTHURA on Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:52 am

crayzard wrote:sagutin ko lng po yung question ni sir arkitektura.. sa 3.5 k each po madalas naman po kada buwan is at least 6-7 stills ako, interior po yun.. mas malaki kasi ang bigayan dito ng exterior like 8-15 k per stills. kaso bibihira po.. pag interior na customized talga lahat aabot lng ng mga 8 k per still kaso pag sa isang area 3 shots tatawad pa sila ng mga 7 k kasi nga daw iisa area lng naman yun.. eh ang usapan hindi naman depende sa area kundi depende sa dami ng perspective.. so far medyu okey pa naman nakakapagupgrade pa den ng pc every year, kahit paanu eh may sobra pa den. hindi nga lng katulad dati mga 2 yrs ago na unti pa lng yung marunong.... marami ren nag oofer ng job sa ibang bansa kaso mas prefer ko na dito na lng medyu ayus pa ang kita at kasama ko family ko... hirap den mapalayu sa knila eh.............

A ok sir..Thanks po sa reply.Its good to hear na feasible pa din po pla yung ganung presyuhan..Well goodluck sir and Best Regards po sa family nyo.. thumbsup

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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by arjun_samar on Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:18 am

Dito sa Pinas, nakakabadtrip talaga kasi pag gumagawa ka ng 3d still perspective, tingin ng tao ay parang kumakain ka lang ng che-cherya na ganun kadali at minsan di-na-down ka pa na yung ginagawa mo alang kwenta drawing lang naman daw yan eh, madali lang yan. almost everyday ko to na-eencounter sa mga taong nakapaligid sa kin. kahit sa office. kaya binababa nila ang presyo mo, kayo pati pagtingin sa yo mababa rin. Sad

mababa na nga rate mo, e-da-down ka pa, no choice rin kasi walang ibang trabaho na makita. mahal ko ang pagdrawing kasi nagbibigay eto ng kaligayahan sa akin. eto dahilan kaya fight pa rin.

Back to the topic. tingin ko depende yan kung nasaan ka. at kay sir cloud saludo po ako sayo.
Sa movie na The Patriot by Mr. Mil Gibson, nung tinanung sya kung sasali siya sa guira, umayaw siya, tinanung sya, nasaan na ang mga prinsipyo mo? isa lang sinabi nya, I'm a family man, I have no room for Principles.

If your own family is on the line, nawawala ang adhikain at prinsipyo kasi mas uunahin mo ang pamilya mo.
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Post by Jay2x on Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:43 am

jefferson01 wrote:sad but true ang sinasabi ni sir cloud.. Sad

Sad But true Nga,, kaya
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nung Student ako bro singil ko 1500 sa mga ka skul m8 ko sa proj nila
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.. .. napanood kasi nila ako nung defend ko.. kaya parang thanks giving narin hehe.. thumbsup
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by BoySkan on Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:22 am

KAibigang Vlad--- ano tawag mo dito... Sinisira mo kamo namin ang market?...Ika naman brod... ILang beses ko na narinig sa iyo na "alam mo si ano... pinagkakatuwaan namin dito... pinagtatawanan namin dito..." Nasa lupa na nag pinagtatawnan nyo pa... Kaya nga humingi ako ng permission sa iyo na sumagot eh... di ba...


"ayus yan.. o ipagpatuloy nyo daw ang 1500 na singil...."--- ano tawag mo dyan brod, panyunu munaku ken eh... And you have the gall of saying "below the belt?"...

mukhang masama tlga loob ni sir cloud ha?
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Post by kurdaps! on Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:28 am

BoySkan wrote:
KAibigang Vlad--- ano tawag mo dito... Sinisira mo kamo namin ang market?...Ika naman brod... ILang beses ko na narinig sa iyo na "alam mo si ano... pinagkakatuwaan namin dito... pinagtatawanan namin dito..." Nasa lupa na nag pinagtatawnan nyo pa... Kaya nga humingi ako ng permission sa iyo na sumagot eh... di ba...


"ayus yan.. o ipagpatuloy nyo daw ang 1500 na singil...."--- ano tawag mo dyan brod, panyunu munaku ken eh... And you have the gall of saying "below the belt?"...

mukhang masama tlga loob ni sir cloud ha?

Everything is sort out na Sir boyboy....late ka na naman..

back to topic guys...

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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by BoySkan on Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:41 am

hahahaha..... cge back to topic.......
san na nga ba tyo? Very Happy
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by arkiedmund on Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:25 am

in my case, pinakamababa na ang 2,500...may ginagawa ako ngayon, lahat minodel ko from the structure down to the furnitures, na hindi din ganun ka-simple na mga models.

PInakamataas kong nasisingil so far is 5k for an exterior, na ginawa ko lang ng ilang oras, the next day, may 5kiyaw na agad ako.

As for our case sa pinas, mahirap na yan, dapat kasi noon pa, inayos na, mula sa pinakamataas, down to the lowest echelons of the constrcution, design, and visualization industry.

Mga engineer mapa Civil, Mechanical, Electrical pa man yan, nagiging arkitekto dito sa Pilipinas, (paumanhin na lang sa mga matatamaan)..ok lang sana kung visualizer lang ang gagampanan nilang roles eh..kaso, sulutan at apakan ng paa ng kapwa professionals to the max. Kawawa naman ang arkitekto, kasi, di naman siya pwedeng gumawa ng tulay, pumirma ng electrical, mechanical and sanitary plans (unless nag-aral at nag-board siya para dito).

Mabalik sa usapan:

Siguro, depende nalang ang rate sa geographical location natin, at sa clientele mo na din, kasi, kung ang client mo foreigner, makaka-singil ka talaga ng tamang presyo, as for locals..isa na sa pinaka-masamang ugali ng pilipino ang mambarat, to the point na parang gusto pang libre lahat ng type ng services na offered para sa kanya.

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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by marcelinoiii on Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:16 pm

galing po ito sa ibang thread, nagkamali ako ng section...

Share ko lang po yun bago kong naclose na deal. Sa akin naman po kasi Design Package, residential. Ito po and first residential project ko as international designer kung baga hehe Wink kasi as a worker here abroad, I get to apply my design skills, new and innovative knowledge and expertise as designer here in Singapore. So having these assets I have to raise in my price a bit, but hey this is just me... alam ko po case to case basis pa din so depende sa client sabi niyo nga. Anyway I would just like to share my bracket of pricing for a starter.

Before I work abroad my Design Package for Residential ranges from 10-12k Php having to prepare all architectural drawings including perspectives in 3d render (CAD+PS) pa lng ako noon.

Now, thank God, nakaclose po ako ng 40-50K Php deal for the same package but 3d render in Max & PS. 10k difference for major revision from the final design. This way, the owner has to think twice before asking for last/final revisions. We agreed na pag wala na revision sa final design, then we finish the deal at 40k.
Hindi po pa included and Interior Design dito, just to give you all a hint... Alam na po natin, to get the best from your talent eka nga, I will be proposing a separate package of another 50K Php for this, we'll see what happens next.

Di ko po sure kung sapat na itong range ng price ko for an Architectural Design Package, but then again, this is my pricing, and personally think it should be a good start.

My point here is, in my own experience, I don't just cater for rendering services but my price is in my Design Skills and Talent, yun po ang aim kong i-market. Like everyone would say, our rendering skill is just part of our tool in designing and presenting our product, our Design.

I just hope that this sharing would help each and everyone of us.

To Sir Cloud, I salute you for being the man of your home having to provide for your family. Yun 1,500 po di yun masama kung render lang naman ang service niyo, pero po my advice, since I was touched and very concern on what you shared from the other threads regarding the same issue... - If you'd be rendering your service as a designer, try to open a whole new market for yourself to clients that has NO connection to your previous clients and competitors... try to start the way I did, trying wouldn't hurt at all, this could be the key to your continued success... after all, it's never too late, not to the One up above, dasal lang tayo plus our perseverance. You've gone along way, Sir. Saludo ako sa inyo!
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by 3dpjumong2007 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:48 pm

Siguro, depende nalang ang rate sa geographical location natin, at sa clientele mo na din, kasi, kung ang client mo foreigner, makaka-singil ka talaga ng tamang presyo, as for locals..isa na sa pinaka-masamang ugali ng pilipino ang mambarat, to the point na parang gusto pang libre lahat ng type ng services na offered para sa kanya.

amen to that sir ! lalo dito sa atin , sometimes nakakadali din man ng maganda , pero kadalasan binabarat



yan ang sample ng 1500 ko dito sa amin lugar signage lng kasi done in an hour higit ,yun post ko na bago na may attic 15k yun including the floor plan and 4 elevations

di pa naman gaano saturated dito sa amin our price really depends sa quality ng render ...
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by bokkins on Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:34 am

Ika nga, kanya kanyang diskarte sa buhay. It's always about survival of the fittest.

Let's make this discussion beneficial to everyone. Yun tamang debate lang, walang personalan.
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by cloud20 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:14 am

bokkins wrote:Ika nga, kanya kanyang diskarte sa buhay. It's always about survival of the fittest.

Let's make this discussion beneficial to everyone. Yun tamang debate lang, walang personalan.

I totally agree; mas magiging makabuluhan ang talakayan kung subjective tayo. Pero huwag naman sanang "kaya namamatay ang industriya dahil sa gawain NIYO" or "naku hindi ko alam na ganoon na pala kababa ang singilan niyo DYAN tsk tsk tsk" coming from our compatriots who are urging us who are left here (pinas) to do something about it while in the comfort of their high paying jobs & sidelines abroad.
Again, kung hindi kayo kasali sa sinasabi ko; take it in stride.
Ngayon kung tinamaan ka naman; take that foot off your mouth.

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Post by celes on Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:29 am

for the clients, you get what you pay for, but for the artists, give what you are PAID for.
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by cloud20 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:36 am

crayzard wrote:no offense sa lahat kaya siguro talaga mahirap mag demand ng malaki kasi most of us freelancers are using pirated softwares.. kung orig kaya gamit natin sisingil ba tayu ng below 5 thou? question lng.


Ito for the sake of discussion lang po. I have nothing against master crayzard or for genuine software for that matter.
Lets say nagkukumahog na 3d renderer lang po tayo. Try nating bumili ng genuine software kunwari autocad magkano yan Php100,000.00? San ako kukuha ng ganoon kalaking pera eh pagkain nga para bukas di ko pa alam kung san ko kukuhanin. Lets say may naipamana ang nanay ko sa kin. Bahala na isusugal ko na ito nkalaan pa naman sana sa pag aaral ng anak ko. Bili ako ngayon ng legit software. Eto na charge ko na client ko "sir legit ang software na ginamit ko dyan so I'm gonna have to charge you Php15000.00 for this render". Client goes "huwattttt ang mahal naman niyan yung estudyante sa UST kaya din gawin yan for Php500.00 pesos lang dyan kan ang mahal sa iyo"... You are left stunned, youve just spent your inheritance sa legit software na hindi mo rin pala mapapakinabangan.
Scenario lang po ito; I'm not saying na ganyan nga mangyayari...
Pero more often than not yan ang kalalabasan niyan.


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Post by cloud20 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:40 am

mushroom wrote:for the clients, you get what you pay for, but for the artists, give what you are PAID for.

Exactly in tune with master heneral jumong's point of view...
But if you have the passion, sometimes di mo mapipigilan sarili mo to give it your best shot. Kahit alam mong mababa kiktain mo sa project na iyon, parang di mo rin maatim na hindi ibigay ang best effort mo... Which results in a quandary...

The cycle, vicious such as is it, goes on...
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Post by bokkins on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:17 am

ito lang ang opinion ko sa 1,500 na yan.

a regular employee is getting 8,000 per month. that means 400 a day @20 days/mo. so 50 pesos per hour @ 8 hrs/day.

lets say gumawa sya sa office ng 3 hours. 150 lang yun.

gumawa sya ng freelance na 3 hours, 1,500 na yun. Sulit di ba. Murang mura nga. pro sulit na para sa isang regular employee na nangarap kumita ng mas malaki.

Kung sa client naman, sulit din, lalo na pag di naman gaanong mapili ang client. kasi overhead din yan eh.

Dyan na papasok ngayon kung san gagamitin ng client at kung may budget ba or kung pang marketing ba. So madami talagang pwede maging cost ang isang 3d. At dahil sa competition like any other business, bumababa tlaga ang presyo over the years. Law of supply and demand. Smile
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Post by nomeradona on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:36 am

bokkins wrote:Law of supply and demand. Smile
nakupo alam ko na ngayon oversupply ang nag3-3d sa pampanga. indeed sometimes we dont really feel whats really happening in the philippines its acatually i anwew thing to me. but what cloud has said is an eye opener. i will be honest i think mahihirapan talaga ako kung babalik sa pinas, dahil nasanay nari n ng mold ng abroad. kaya nga nandirito pa ako sa vietnam hanggang ngayon for almost 18 years... dito sa vietnam magkanu kaya charge nila. para yatang hinid ko alam. kase yung 3d parang ginagawa ko para maimpress agad ang cliente ko sa deisng ko.. parang pambulag ba.
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by torvicz on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:40 am

dude cloud, alam ko yang nararanasan mo ngayon. although Im working abroad, pinagdaanan ko ring mag sideline satin while working. 10 years ako nagtrabaho dyan satin before mag Dubai.

Talagang noon napakasarap nang buhay as visualizer satin kase you get to have additional income sa pag sa-sideline....pero NOON YUN! Bago ako tumulak abroad bumaba talaga ang singilan, dati 5k ako per image, naging 3k, 2k, 1k, may bumarat p nga ng 500, imagine that?!

Para saken, eto lang naman....sideline is a sideline, pandagdag kung baga.
Ngayon nasa sayo na yan, kung kelangan mo talaga ang pera at barat ang client, wala ka talagang magagawa kundi kagatin...E pandagdag nga e! kung palagay mo naman e pupuyatin ka sa hirap at luge ka pa, e di wag mo nang tanggapin...AGAIN, it's your decision....and in dude cloud's case wala talaga syang choice....pamilya na eto dude e....it's a whole new scenario....So for that I salute you dude cloud!

Sa totoo lang, dito sa Dubai, pahirapan na rin ang SL. nung first year ko dito, you wouldn't believe it pero naka singil ako ng 6K AED sa isang kiosk lang!!! ISANG KIOSK LANG!!!! magkanu un sa peso? you do the math mga dude.....

Pero ngayon, 2 SL na lang ata sa isang taon pahirapan pa...at ang presyo
bumaba na down to 1k swerte na ang 1.5k AED....saklap!

Kaya kung anuman ang dumating na SL satin mababa man o malaki ang singil, lagi ko nalng pinagpapasalamat sa taas...iniisip ko nalng na para sa pamilya tong dagdag kita na to..di para saken....

Ung standard, para saken there's no such thing e....palagay ko nasa sariling standard mo yun at sa tindi ng pangangailangan mo...sad to say but that's reality....


NICE THREAD, ngayon ko lang nabasa.... thumbsup
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by Nico.Patdu on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:49 am

bokkins wrote:ito lang ang opinion ko sa 1,500 na yan.

a regular employee is getting 8,000 per month. that means 400 a day @20 days/mo. so 50 pesos per hour @ 8 hrs/day.

lets say gumawa sya sa office ng 3 hours. 150 lang yun.

gumawa sya ng freelance na 3 hours, 1,500 na yun. Sulit di ba. Murang mura nga. pro sulit na para sa isang regular employee na nangarap kumita ng mas malaki.

Kung sa client naman, sulit din, lalo na pag di naman gaanong mapili ang client. kasi overhead din yan eh.

Dyan na papasok ngayon kung san gagamitin ng client at kung may budget ba or kung pang marketing ba. So madami talagang pwede maging cost ang isang 3d. At dahil sa competition like any other business, bumababa tlaga ang presyo over the years. Law of supply and demand. Smile

ayus ang explanation ser boks parang ekonomista
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Post by Nico.Patdu on Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:04 am

Jay2x wrote:
jefferson01 wrote:sad but true ang sinasabi ni sir cloud.. Sad

Sad But true Nga,, kaya
ride The lightning nalang Tayo sa Pamamalakad ng CG industry...

to Ts
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kaso group sila and tatlong render hehe
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ot
akala ko sinasabi mong propritor si ser cloud kaya akala ko 1500 din singil mo par,pero singil mo kina emerson dati yung tatlo image 1500k yata no? di kana pala trbho kay ser cloud
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Re: how much do you charge???

Post by Jay2x on Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:30 am

Nico.Patdu wrote:
Jay2x wrote:
jefferson01 wrote:sad but true ang sinasabi ni sir cloud.. Sad

Sad But true Nga,, kaya
ride The lightning nalang Tayo sa Pamamalakad ng CG industry...

to Ts
nung Student ako bro singil ko 1500 sa mga ka skul m8 ko sa proj nila
kaso group sila and tatlong render hehe
.. .. napanood kasi nila ako nung defend ko.. kaya parang thanks giving narin hehe.. thumbsup

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akala ko sinasabi mong propritor si ser cloud kaya akala ko 1500 din singil mo par,pero singil mo kina emerson dati yung tatlo image 1500k yata no? di kana pala trbho kay ser cloud

nope pre .. nasabi lang ni sir cloud yun pagkatapos ko sabihin yung proprietor ..
eheh way bak to Parman deal .,. im still student pa. and one of my unforgivable wrong mistake ill take the pay in order to complete the day./.. hehe
as for a student till now... ill give them the deserving discount .. Sad inuman na 1500...

i still work w/ the cloud.. and to no one else..
he still the Enlightenment .. and i give him the highest respect as an ArchiViz/3d artist ..

lana rin tayo magagawa sa rate par,, sad but true ride the lightning .. some of our colleagues also stick for many master of puppets .. in abroad katapos ka graduate.. good to know yah Werk in Diosdado airport.. thumbsup thats one for ya'll
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Ito lang sa akin, wag nyo na sana ipadama sa iba ang mga nararamdaman nyo. wag nyo din sana sisihin ang iba sa kalagayan nyo. you make your own decisions like I make mine. Kung successful ka man, good for you. at kung hindi na man, make it work. Lalo na if you are able and still strong. May bukas pa.
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